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A pilot typically completes a 5310 km round trip between City A and City B in 6.6 hours, but a steady wind from west to east increases the time to 6.7 hours. The pilot initially calculated the plane's velocity as 804.55 km/h, adjusting for wind effects in both directions. However, confusion arose when trying to apply the time formula for each leg of the trip, leading to an incorrect approach in averaging velocities. The correct method involves using the total time equation for the round trip, factoring in the wind's impact on speed for each direction. The discussion emphasizes the importance of correctly applying physics principles to solve the problem accurately.
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Down to the problem. City A lies due West of city B. A pilot normally makes the 5310km ROUND trip in 6.6hours. One day there is a steady wind blowing from west to east and it takes the pilot 6.7 hours to make the round trip. How fast is the wind blowing.

I've spent a while on this problem and can't seem to get it.

It makes sense to me that if your wind slows you one way, it would speed you up the other way, thereby canceling out the winds effects.

Not having any formulas to really draw upon, I came up with one for the planes velocity. 804.55 normally, so it would be 804.55 - w in one direction and 804.55 + w in the opposite. Doing vector addition canceled out the W. A little lost.
 
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merlinMan said:
It makes sense to me that if your wind slows you one way, it would speed you up the other way, thereby canceling out the winds effects.
Don't guess... figure it out!

Not having any formulas to really draw upon, I came up with one for the planes velocity. 804.55 normally, so it would be 804.55 - w in one direction and 804.55 + w in the opposite.
Excellent. Now figure out the time for each part of the trip. Use T = D/V. You know what the total time for the round trip must be.
Doing vector addition canceled out the W.
You can't add these "vectors" since they refer to different things! One applies in one direction, the other applies in the other direction. You can't just "average" them, since they apply for different times. (As you'll see when you figure it out!)
 
See, I tried Time = Distance/Velocity. Then I added the two times together, Distance/(Velocity West) + Distance/(Velocity East) = 6.7

From there I got a equation I really couldn't work out. Is that how its done? I got so muddled down in the equation I figured I was doing it wrong. If not, i'll go back a muddle a little more.
 
\frac{2655}{804.55+w}+\frac{2655}{804.55-w}=6.7

\frac{(804.55-w)+(804.55+w)}{804.55^2-w^2}=\frac{6.7}{2655}

I think you can continue from here...
 
Ahh doh! stupid, thanks for your help
 
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