Relativity Question Regarding Muons in movement

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The discussion revolves around a problem involving muons, their decay, and the effects of relativistic speeds. The original poster presents a scenario where a muon moves at 0.99c and poses several questions regarding its lifetime and distance traveled, contrasting Newtonian mechanics with relativistic effects.

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the distance a muon would travel before decaying, both under Newtonian mechanics and relativistic conditions. Some participants question the validity of the calculations, particularly regarding the application of time dilation in the context of Newtonian mechanics.

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Participants are actively engaging with the original poster's calculations, providing feedback and corrections. There is a focus on clarifying the differences between Newtonian and relativistic approaches, with some participants suggesting that certain equations may not apply under Newtonian assumptions. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being explored.

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There is a specific instruction to ignore relativistic effects for the first part of the question, which has led to confusion among participants regarding the application of time dilation in subsequent parts. The original poster expresses uncertainty about adhering to this instruction.

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Homework Statement



A muon has a lifetime of 2.2x10^-6 s when at rest, after which time it decays into other particles.

a)ignore any effects of relativity discussed in this lesson, if the muon was moving at 0.99c how far would it travel before decaying into other particles, according to Newtonian mechanics? *this line confuses me, I hope i obeyed them in my answer.. if anyone can let me know that would be great!

b) how long would the muon last according to an observer in the Earth's frame of reference who viewed the muon moving at 0.99c?

c) How far would the muon actually travel, when viewed moving at 0.99c?

d) Compare the distances travelled. Explain why this type of evidence is excellent support for the theory of relativity.

Homework Equations



Δtm = Δts/√(1-v2/c2)

The Attempt at a Solution



a) 0.99(3x10^8) = 2.97x10^8

2.97x10^8 m/s * 2.2x10-6 s = 653.4 m (not sure whether this is according to Newtonian mechanics?)

b) Δtm = Δts/√(1-v2/c2)
Δtm = 2.2x10-6/√(1-(0.99c)2/c2)
Δtm = 2.2x10-6/√(1-0.99)
Δtm = 2.2x10-5

c) 2.97x108 m/s * 2.2x10-5s
= 6534 m

D) this is excellent supportive evidence for the theory of relativity because it displays as matter approaches the speed of light significant time dilation occurs and the muon lasts much longer than it would with Earth as its reference frame.Does everything look logical ?

Thanks!
 
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But if this is to be according to Newtonian mechanics, there is no time dilation, and equation 2 is not correct.
 
Well I think your method is fine but your half life is off. You forgot to square the 0.99!
 
alexg said:
But if this is to be according to Newtonian mechanics, there is no time dilation, and equation 2 is not correct.

only the first question is according to Newtonian mechanics.. by second equation do you mean the Δtm?

all other questions use relativity unless otherwise stated I believe!
 
bm0p700f said:
Well I think your method is fine but your half life is off. You forgot to square the 0.99!


in the Δtm equation you mean? The C2 cancels out so I am left with 1-0.99

at least I think..


thanks for the input
 
HarleyM said:
in the Δtm equation you mean? The C2 cancels out so I am left with 1-0.99

at least I think..


thanks for the input

it would be 0.992 = 0.98
 
cupid.callin said:
it would be 0.992 = 0.98


Thats not the method the book shows, they show both c2 cancelling out so I am going with that method, simply because if they say its wrong I'll show them the book and say the book is also wrong
 
HarleyM said:
Thats not the method the book shows, they show both c2 cancelling out so I am going with that method, simply because if they say its wrong I'll show them the book and say the book is also wrong

the author might have missed is.
\Large{\frac{v^2}{c^2}} and if v=.99c \Large{\frac{(0.99c)^2}{c^2} = \frac{0.99^2 c^2}{c^2}} = 0.99^2
 
cupid.callin said:
the author might have missed is.
\Large{\frac{v^2}{c^2}} and if v=.99c \Large{\frac{(0.99c)^2}{c^2} = \frac{0.99^2 c^2}{c^2}} = 0.99^2

I went back and looked over it all, they didn't do it for one example but all others so it threw me for a loop , I changed my answer thank you very much both of you for pointing that out!
 

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