Relativity - Sphere flattening due to relativistic speed

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The discussion revolves around the relativistic effects on the appearance and energy of objects moving at high speeds, specifically comparing gum balls and smarties. For part (a), it was determined that a gum ball must travel at approximately 0.866 times the speed of light to appear flattened like a smartie due to length contraction. In part (b), the red smartie must move towards the observer at a significant speed to appear as the purple one, with calculations yielding a speed of about 0.59c. Part (c) calculated that converting a small fraction of the smartie's mass into energy could power a 100MW station for 13.5 seconds. Finally, part (d) discussed the kinetic energy of the smartie, revealing that using non-relativistic formulas can lead to incorrect results when speeds approach relativistic levels.
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Relativity -- Sphere flattening due to relativistic speed

Homework Statement



Gum balls are spherical, and about 1.5 cm in diameter. Smarties are circular in one cross
section, with the same diameter, but perpendicular to this circular cross section, they
are flattened, with the smallest diameter being half the largest diameter. The mass of a
smartie is 15 g.

a) How fast does a gum ball have to be moving with respect to an observer for this
observer to mistake it for a smartie? Give your answer as a fraction of the speed of
light.

(b) Purple and red smarties reflect incident sunlight predominantly at wavelengths of
380 nm and 750 nm respectively. If one colour of smartie is moving towards you,
it can look like the other colour when it is stationary. Which smartie has to be
moving, and at what fraction of the speed of light does it have to travel?

(c) If it were possible to convert 10^{-6} of the mass of the smartie into energy, for how long coul the released energy power a 100MW power station?

(d)If the energy released as described in part 2(c) was converted instead into kinetic
energy of the smartie, by how much would the smartie final velocity differ from
that of light? Give your answer in m/s

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


(a) - Erm... :cry:
(b) - Not much better. I know that it is the red smartie that must be moving towards us.
I know for non-relativistic doppler shift \frac{\Delta\lambda}{\lambda_{emitted}}=\frac{v}{c}
and for relativistic doppler shift I know \frac{\lambda_{observed}}{\lambda_{emited}}=\sqrt{\frac{1+\beta}{1-\beta}} where \beta=\frac{v}{c}
Do I simply rearrange this formula? Doing this I got v=\frac{59}{100}c
(c)
m=0.015*10^{-6}
E=mc^{2}; c=3*10^{8}
so E=1350MJ
Power = \frac{Energy}{time} ; so time=\frac{Energy}{Power}
time = 13.5 seconds
I'm not too confident with this, it seems a bit too simple :/ , however it is only 2 marks

(d)Again, I think it would be far too simple to use E=\frac{1}{2}mv^{2} with E=1350 MJ

Thanks
 
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Jon.G said:

Homework Statement



Gum balls are spherical, and about 1.5 cm in diameter. Smarties are circular in one cross
section, with the same diameter, but perpendicular to this circular cross section, they
are flattened, with the smallest diameter being half the largest diameter. The mass of a
smartie is 15 g.

a) How fast does a gum ball have to be moving with respect to an observer for this
observer to mistake it for a smartie? Give your answer as a fraction of the speed of
light.

(b) Purple and red smarties reflect incident sunlight predominantly at wavelengths of
380 nm and 750 nm respectively. If one colour of smartie is moving towards you,
it can look like the other colour when it is stationary. Which smartie has to be
moving, and at what fraction of the speed of light does it have to travel?

(c) If it were possible to convert 10^{-6} of the mass of the smartie into energy, for how long coul the released energy power a 100MW power station?

(d)If the energy released as described in part 2(c) was converted instead into kinetic
energy of the smartie, by how much would the smartie final velocity differ from
that of light? Give your answer in m/s

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution


(a) - Erm... :cry:
The difference between the two is the shape, right? So why does the gum ball change shape when it moves relativistically?

(b) - Not much better. I know that it is the red smartie that must be moving towards us.
I know for non-relativistic doppler shift \frac{\Delta\lambda}{\lambda_{emitted}}=\frac{v}{c}
and for relativistic doppler shift I know \frac{\lambda_{observed}}{\lambda_{emited}}=\sqrt{\frac{1+\beta}{1-\beta}} where \beta=\frac{v}{c}
Do I simply rearrange this formula? Doing this I got v=\frac{59}{100}c
Yup. I didn't check your answer, but your method is correct.
(c)
m=0.015*10^{-6}
E=mc^{2}; c=3*10^{8}
so E=1350MJ
Power = \frac{Energy}{time} ; so time=\frac{Energy}{Power}
time = 13.5 seconds
I'm not too confident with this, it seems a bit too simple :/ , however it is only 2 marks
This is correct too.

(d)Again, I think it would be far too simple to use E=\frac{1}{2}mv^{2} with E=1350 MJ

Thanks
Are you justified in using the non-relativistic formula for kinetic energy? If not, you need to use the relativistic formula for kinetic energy. But otherwise, yeah, it is as simple as you're thinking.
 
I think I've got it. My biggest problem was being able to picture it. I was thinking about it the wrong way. I imagined it sort of as the gum ball 'stretching' into a smartie, and was confused as I thought it should appear to shrink as it moves faster. As I was a bit frustrated I overlooked the simpler explanation where the 'horizontal diameter' shrinks, but the 'vertical diameter' remains the same. I also remember finding relativity so difficult when I was first introduced, that I always expect my method to be far too simple :/

I can use L=\frac{L_0}{\gamma} with L=0.0075m; L_{0}=0.015m; \gamma=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-\frac{v^2}{c^2}}}

Solving for v, I get v=0.866c
 
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It's
$$\gamma=\frac{1}{\sqrt{1-v^2/c^2}}$$
 
Sorry, that's what I meant :S
 
Just one comment on (a), not related to the intended answer here:
You can calculate the length, and the value will get smaller due to length contraction. You cannot see it like that, however, due to the different times light needs to reach you from the front and back. A sphere can appear longer or shorter, depending on its direction (towards you / away from you). At its point of closest approach, it appears just rotated.
 
for (d), using non- relativistic formula I got a speed greater than c, so obviously that's wrong.
Using E_{k}=(\gamma-1)mc^{2} and
\epsilon=\frac{c}{2\gamma} where \epsilon=difference in velocities
I get the difference in velocities to be 7.5*10^{-7} ms^{-1}, the answer sheet, however, simply states (d) 3.0*10^{8} m/s
I have also emailed my tutor about this, but he always seems to take a very long time to reply :S
 
You must have made a mistake because you should have gotten the correct result using the non-relativistic formula for the kinetic energy. Show us your work.
 
Ok I know what I did wrong. Tried to rush it and used the 10^{-6} value for the mass.
So: E_{k}=\frac{1}{2}mv^{2}
E_{k}=(0.0015*10^{-6})*c^{2}=(1.5*10^{-9})c^{2}=1.35*10^{9}J
Solving for v; v=424264ms^{-1}
So the difference in velocities would be 299575735.9; which is 3.0*10^{8}m/s to 2 s.f.

How do I know when I need to use relativistic formula for the kinetic energy?
 
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The low velocity looks realistic.
Jon.G said:
How do I know when I need to use relativistic formula for the kinetic energy?
That depends on the precision you want.
If the calculation gives more than 25% of the speed of light, relativistic corrections are significant, and below 5% they are usually negligible. In between, they could be relevant, but don't have to be.
Those are not fixed numbers - the GPS satellites need relativistic corrections for velocities of ~0.001% the speed of light as they need an extreme precision.
 
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