Representation of a 1 phase transmission line as line charges

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the representation of a single-phase transmission line in electrical engineering, particularly focusing on the depiction of line charges and the flow of electrons. Participants explore the relationship between current, charge movement, and the conventional representations found in textbooks.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion about the representation of a transmission line as carrying positive and negative charges, questioning how this aligns with the actual movement of electrons.
  • One participant notes that when a terminal is connected, electrons flow in one direction, leading to a misunderstanding of how this relates to the conventional depiction of charges in transmission lines.
  • Another participant emphasizes that the current changes direction in the two wires, suggesting a distinction between current and charge that may not be clear to others.
  • There is a discussion about the alternating nature of AC transmission lines, with charges moving in both directions, and how this is represented in terms of positive and negative charges.
  • One participant asserts that wires do not carry positive charges, clarifying that current carriers are negative electrons, and the sign in diagrams refers to the direction of current flow.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the representation of charges in transmission lines. There are competing views on the interpretation of current and charge, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the clarity of these concepts.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the conventional representations in textbooks, indicating a potential gap in understanding the relationship between current flow and charge signs. There is also a lack of clarity on the definitions and implications of positive and negative charges in the context of transmission lines.

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Hi,
According to what I understood, when a terminal is connected to a line, it causes electrons to flow in one direction. And so for a single phase transmission line in parallel if connected to supply, then in one side electrons will be flowing in one direction and the same electrons will be flowing in the opposite direction in the other transmission line.
In normal representation in books, this transmission line is represented as 1 line carrying positive charges(Q) which are linearly distributed in the line and the 2nd line carrying charges with opposite polarity(-Q). How it can be represented like this, I can't understand the concept when I think in the way of electrons movement? Please help me on this, i need somebody. Any replies will be appreciated...
 
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krsroh said:
Hi,
According to what I understood, when a terminal is connected to a line, it causes electrons to flow in one direction. And so for a single phase transmission line in parallel if connected to supply, then in one side electrons will be flowing in one direction and the same electrons will be flowing in the opposite direction in the other transmission line.
The electrons are different, but the total current in each wire is the same.
krsroh said:
In normal representation in books, this transmission line is represented as 1 line carrying positive charges(Q) which are linearly distributed in the line and the 2nd line carrying charges with opposite polarity(-Q). How it can be represented like this, I can't understand the concept when I think in the way of electrons movement? Please help me on this, i need somebody. Any replies will be appreciated...
Are you perhaps confusing current with charge? The current changes sign in the two wires because the direction of flow is opposite.
 
Sir,
First of all, i am thanking you for showing interest in my post. Actually no sir, i am not confused i think. Actually a current in one direction means charges are flowing in one direction and so for an AC transmission line charges will be moving in both direction alternatively.
But consider the positive half of the AC wave at the sending end. Looking from top of the line, in the sending end, line's charges will be moving in one direction and in the receiving end line, charge will be moving in opposite direction. And in textbooks, this condition of transmission line is depicted as a pair of lines one carrying +ive charge and the next carrying -ive charge and i am confused with this depiction. How can a charge flowing in one direction(i.e. current in one direction) be said in terms of signs, i.e. -ive or +ive??
 
Your terminology is fine until you say "this condition of transmission line is depicted as a pair of lines one carrying +ive charge and the next carrying -ive charge." These are not charges but currents; note that i and I are the traditional symbols for current. In this case, the sign simply denotes whether current is flowing away (+) or towards (-) the ports.
 
krsroh said:
Sir,
First of all, i am thanking you for showing interest in my post. Actually no sir, i am not confused i think. Actually a current in one direction means charges are flowing in one direction and so for an AC transmission line charges will be moving in both direction alternatively.
But consider the positive half of the AC wave at the sending end. Looking from top of the line, in the sending end, line's charges will be moving in one direction and in the receiving end line, charge will be moving in opposite direction. And in textbooks, this condition of transmission line is depicted as a pair of lines one carrying +ive charge and the next carrying -ive charge and i am confused with this depiction. How can a charge flowing in one direction(i.e. current in one direction) be said in terms of signs, i.e. -ive or +ive??

I have never seen this in any textbook. Wires do not carry "positive" charges. The current carriers are always negative electrons in metals. The sign refers to current in any diagram you will have seen.
A positive charge flowing in one direction is certainly the equivalent Current to a negative charge flowing in the opposite direction but that is not relevant here.
 

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