Required frictional force for a car to keep it from sliding off a curve.

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The problem involves determining the required frictional force for a car to avoid sliding off a curve, given a mass of 1200 kg and an increase in speed of 14 km/hr beyond the designed speed for the curve. The context includes considerations of radius and curve type, which are not explicitly provided.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the need for additional information, such as the radius of the curve, to approach the problem. There is mention of previous problems involving bank angles and forces, leading to questions about their relevance here.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various interpretations of the problem. Some have attempted to relate this problem to previous ones, while others express confusion over the lack of specific details. A participant has found a way to calculate the required force using information from earlier problems, indicating a potential direction for further exploration.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the absence of crucial information, such as the radius of the curve and whether it is flat or banked, which complicates the problem-solving process.

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Homework Statement


With what frictional force must the road push on a 1200 kg car if the driver exceeds the speed for which the curve was designed by deltav = 14km/hr?


The Attempt at a Solution


I actually have no clue where to begin with this question. Don't I need the radius to figure this out? On the previous problem i was asked to find the bank angle of a curve given radius and velocity and I used tan-1 [v^2/(gr)]. I don't believe that equation is relavent here though. Any advice as to what equations I should be using?
 
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There is no radius given?

Is that exactly how the question is written? It seems kinda confusing
 
Yup, that's all it says, other than answer in units of N at the end. Doesn't even say if it's a flat curve or banked.
 
Now the question doesn't say to refer to the previous problem, but if it does it was If r = 51 m and v = 52 km/hr, what is theta? and i found that to be 22.646 degrees. Can we do anything with that information?
 
AHAH! Well I decided to use the degree, radius and velocity from the previous 2 problems, found my force of the original speed that required no friction, added 14km/hr to it and found that force, then subtracted one from the other and that answer was correct. Would have been a whole lot simpler if they had just said "refer to the previous 2 problems to solve this one". Thanks anyways!
 

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