Resistor instead of a step-down transformer

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the feasibility of using a resistor as a substitute for a step-down transformer to reduce 230V AC mains voltage to 3V AC for powering simple electronic circuits like LEDs or a transistor radio. The conversation touches on practical implications, safety concerns, and alternative methods for voltage reduction.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that while a resistor can technically be used to drop voltage, it may be impractical due to the need for constant current and the variability in voltage drop with changing loads.
  • Others propose using a capacitor to drop most of the voltage, as it does not dissipate power, while also recommending a resistor to limit current from higher frequency noise.
  • One participant emphasizes the safety risks of using a resistor instead of a transformer, noting that transformers provide galvanic isolation and limit short circuit currents, which is crucial for safety.
  • Another participant raises concerns about component ratings, suggesting that capacitors should be rated for higher voltages and mentioning the need for a bleeder resistor to prevent overcharging.
  • There is a mention of using an inrush current-limiting resistor when powering LEDs to manage initial current surges.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the practicality and safety of using a resistor instead of a transformer, with some acknowledging the technical possibility while others highlight significant concerns. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach for safely stepping down voltage in this context.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations related to component ratings, safety considerations, and the need for additional circuitry to manage current and voltage effectively. There is also a lack of consensus on the adequacy of using a resistor for this application.

Frenemy90210
As a quick and dirty/cheap solution, can a resistor be used instead of a step-down transformer ( stepping down from 230V AC mains to 3 V AC) to drive some simple electronic circuit such as a few LEDs or transistor radio etc ?
 
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Technically yes but it would be impractical for most circuits. The big issue is that the device would need to draw constant current while operating and any change in the load will change how much voltage is dropped across the resistor.
 
If you are dropping AC voltage you will want to use a capacitor to drop most of the voltage as it will not dissipate any power. But you also may want to keep a resistor to drop some of the voltage so it will limit current from noise that is at a higher frequency than the main AC. That noise will be blocked less by the capacitor as the noise frequency increases.

And if your driving more than cheap LED's you may need to include some active electronics to limit current and voltage to your circuit.
 
What you propose can work, but is inadvisable from a safety perspective.
  • The galvanic isolation a step-down transformer provides between primary and secondary reduces the possibility of electrocution.
  • Short circuit current is limited by winding impedance and core saturation in the transformer. The consequences of a direct mains short are more severe.
 
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Svein said:
I’m willing to be corrected by those with more knowledge, but...
1. CX should be rated at least 400V as the peak voltage will be 330V or so.
2. If the output is open circuit, C1 could well be charged to more than its 50V rating. Bleeder resistor?
3. An inrush (fusible?) current-limiting resistor is usually added for powering LEDs.
 

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