Resistors in Series Calculations including Uncertainties

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The discussion revolves around calculating the total resistance of three resistors in series, each with a specified resistance value and a tolerance of 10%. Participants are exploring how to incorporate uncertainties into their calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the total resistance and its uncertainty, questioning whether to use the total uncertainty directly or to consider a different approach. Other participants discuss the method for combining uncertainties, suggesting the use of absolute error values and the square root of the sum of the squares for variance.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering different perspectives on how to handle uncertainties. Some express confidence in the original poster's calculations, while others seek clarification on the interpretation of the 10% uncertainty. There is no explicit consensus yet, but various methods for addressing the uncertainty are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of the 10% uncertainty and whether it should be interpreted as "plus or minus 10%" or another value. The original poster is also concerned about adhering to homework guidelines while seeking help.

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Hey, this is my first post ever on PF, and I have done my best to follow the guidelines on posts asking for help with homework. Please know that I am not after the answer just to cheat and get the questions right, I am after the method so that I could do a similar question myself in the future.

Homework Statement



Three resistors in series are 4.0 Ohms, 9.4 Ohms and again 4 Ohms.
They all have a tolerance or uncertainty of 10%. What is the total resistance including uncertainties?

Homework Equations



Total resistance in series = R(1) + R(2) + R(3)

The Attempt at a Solution



The first part is easy, 4.0+9.4+4.0= 17.4

Now, I believe that when calculating uncertainty in this situation, you are meant to calculate the uncertainty for each resistor, and then add.

10% of 4 = 0.4
10% of 9.4 = .94
10 % of 4 = 0.4

Total uncertainty of all resistors combined = 1.74.

So am I correct in saying that the total resistance in series = 17.4 Ohms + or - 1.74 Ohms, correct? The thing I am worried about is whether it is +- 1.74, or half; 0.84.

Again, thanks for the help, and please let me know if I have broken any rules or how I can improve my post.

Thanks.
 
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if i remember correctly, when the quantities are added of sutracted,

the absolute error values (I mean the actually error values, not the percentages) are added together like calculating the hypotenuse of a triangle,

ie say your error values are x,y,z, the final error value should be:
sqrt(x^2 + y^2 + z^2)
 
Hmm. That's interesting. I will ask my teacher about the best approach in this situation. Thank you very much for your reply.
 
does the 10% uncertainty mean "plus or minus 5%" or does it mean "plus or minus 10%" ?

Seems to me it has to mean plus or minus 10%, so I believe your calculations are the right way to do it AND have the right answer.
 
The exact questions says: Three resistors are in series. They have values of 4.0 ohms, 9.4 ohms, and 4.0 ohms. All values have an uncertainty of 10%. What is the total resistance including uncertainties?

I believe that it means "plus or minus 10%", but I am not sure.

Thank you for your help.
 
Wukunlin is correct. The idea here is that the value of each resistor is a random variable, and when you sum them, you form a new random variable. The variance of the new random variable is the sum of the individual variances, where the variance is equal to the uncertainty squared.

An uncertainty of 10% means "plus or minus 10%".
 
phinds said:
does the 10% uncertainty mean "plus or minus 5%" or does it mean "plus or minus 10%" ?

Seems to me it has to mean plus or minus 10%, so I believe your calculations are the right way to do it AND have the right answer.

Tolerance in this case refers to the standard deviation in a normal distribution of the component values. Not the extreme values. You add standard deviation just like wukinlin said. It's a square root of the sum of the squares.
 

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