Resultant displacement in a stretched spring

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The discussion centers on a homework problem regarding the resultant displacement in a stretched spring, where one participant questions the correctness of calculating the angle using the tangent function. It is pointed out that the problem lacks clarity on whether the x and y components are equal, as well as missing definitions for variables like ##\lambda## and w. The importance of understanding the relationship between the tangent function and triangle geometry is emphasized, particularly that tangent equals 1 only when x equals y. Additionally, the need for clear definitions and context in mathematical equations is highlighted. Overall, the conversation underscores the necessity of precise problem statements in physics to avoid confusion.
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Homework Statement
a stretched spring is given simultaneous displacement in the x and y directions. what is the resultant displacement and angle ?
Relevant Equations
x = acos(2*pi*z/lambda - 2*pi*w)
y = a sin(2*pi*z/lambda -2*pi*w)
If I take the vector sum, I am getting the angle to be 1. (tan^-1 tan(1)). Is that correct?
 
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Hi,
Your homework problem statement looks deficient to me: it does not say whether dx and dy are equal or not, there is no mention of ##\lambda## or w, no mention of the orientation of the spring, etc.
 
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tina21 said:
If I take the vector sum, I am getting the angle to be 1. (tan^-1 tan(1)). Is that correct?

No, that's not correct. I think I can guess what you are trying to say but I have to guess. I think you mean that the x and y are equal, so you want to get the angle that comes from that.

But remember what tangent is in terms of triangles. Opposite over adjacent. Or if you like to build a roof, rise-over-run. So the tangent is 1 if x=y. You don't want to take the tangent of 1 since that's already a tangent.

But the question does not say x=y. So what is the tangent if x is not equal to y?

Also, you need to get the resultant displacement. Remember how you calculate distances if you have the x and the y.
 
DEvens said:
No, that's not correct. I think I can guess what you are trying to say but I have to guess. I think you mean that the x and y are equal, so you want to get the angle that comes from that.

But remember what tangent is in terms of triangles. Opposite over adjacent. Or if you like to build a roof, rise-over-run. So the tangent is 1 if x=y. You don't want to take the tangent of 1 since that's already a tangent.

But the question does not say x=y. So what is the tangent if x is not equal to y?

Also, you need to get the resultant displacement. Remember how you calculate distances if you have the x and the y.
thanks for your help :)
 
BvU said:
Hi,
Your homework problem statement looks deficient to me: it does not say whether dx and dy are equal or not, there is no mention of ##\lambda## or w, no mention of the orientation of the spring, etc.
thanks
 
tina21 said:
Homework Equations: x = acos(2*pi*z/lambda - 2*pi*w)
y = a sin(2*pi*z/lambda -2*pi*w)
An equation is meaningless without a definition of the variables in it and the context in which it applies. What are the variables here, and what is the context?
 
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