RL circuit Q. I must be missed something simple

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around understanding the behavior of voltages in an RL circuit, particularly in the context of AC analysis using phasors. Participants are exploring the relationships between the voltages across the resistor and inductor, as well as the implications of these relationships on Kirchhoff's Voltage Law (KVL).

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how to start solving the problem and feels they are missing a simple concept.
  • Another participant suggests drawing the circuit and labeling the voltages, emphasizing that in AC circuits, voltages have both magnitude and phase.
  • A participant proposes that the voltage across the inductor can be calculated using the square root of the source voltage squared minus the resistor voltage squared, but they express uncertainty about the reasoning behind this method.
  • There is a discussion about whether the voltage drop across the resistor is measured at a specific time in the AC cycle, leading to questions about the apparent violation of KVL when summing voltages.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the interpretation of voltage values as RMS or peak values, with one participant noting that the 85 V drop refers to the RMS value.
  • Another participant asserts that KVL holds at every instant, suggesting that the instantaneous values of voltage drops must algebraically sum to the source voltage at that moment.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the interpretation of voltage measurements and their implications for KVL. There is no consensus on the underlying reasons for the voltage relationships in the circuit, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants discuss the distinction between RMS and peak values of voltages, which may affect their calculations and understanding of the circuit behavior. There are unresolved questions about the timing of voltage measurements in relation to the AC cycle.

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I would show my working, but honestly, I'd really just like a hint as to how to begin, because I've tried multiple different things and just gotten tangled up in multiple equations that are way more complicated looking than the problem itself...I must be missing something simple.

The chapter prior to it is using phasors for all these exercises.
 
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First, you draw the circuit and mark on the vo!tages, and label them. In AC circuits, voltages have a magnitude and a phase.

Then you show how they are added, using Pythagoras.
 
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NascentOxygen said:
First, you draw the circuit and mark on the vo!tages, and label them. In AC circuits, voltages have a magnitude and a phase.

Then you show how they are added, using Pythagoras.

So the voltage across the inductor is just the square root of the source voltage squared minus the resistor voltage squared. That gets the right answer. But I don't fully understand why.

For a long time I was thinking that the 85 V drop on the R was measured at some particular time in the AC cycle, and that's why it wasn't simply a matter of the V over the inductor being 110 - 85.

So, is it because the voltage is leading the current on the inductor? Isn't this basically a violation of KVL? (I'm not saying it is, I'm saying that's what it looks like to me right now). Because 85 + 69.82 doesn't add up to 110. How can we have more total voltage drops in our loop than exist at our source at any given time?

edit: wait, when the V over the R is 85 the V over the L won't be 69.82 will it? 69.82 will be the maximum V drop over the L...?
 
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kostoglotov said:
So the voltage across the inductor is just the square root of the source voltage squared minus the resistor voltage squared. That gets the right answer. But I don't fully understand why.
... the square root of the amplitude of the source vo!tage squared minus the amplitude of the resistor voltage squared,

where "amplitude" refers to the peak value of the sinusoidal waveform (you can also scale this to RMS values).

For a long time I was thinking that the 85 V drop on the R was measured at some particular time in the AC cycle, and that's why it wasn't simply a matter of the V over the inductor being 110 - 85.
By convention, the figure of 85 refers to [unless otherwise stated] the RMS value of the sinusoid; just as does the 110.

when the V over the R is 85 the V over the L won't be 69.82 will it? 69.82 will be the maximum V drop over the L...?
Right.

KVL holds at every instance. When vR(t)is momentarily at 85, then to this the algebraic addition of vL(t) at that instant will equal the value of the mains sinusoid at that instant.
 
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