ROC in Sign function Z-transform

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The discussion revolves around calculating the Z-transform of the function x[n] = u[n] - u[-n-1] and determining its region of convergence (ROC). The Z-transform yields X(z) = 2/(1 - z^(-1)), but the ROC appears to be null since it requires the intersection of |z| > 1 and |z| < 1. Participants debate the implications of a null ROC, questioning whether the Z-transform can be applied, and discuss the relationship between the Z-transform and the Discrete-Time Fourier Transform (DTFT). The conversation highlights concerns regarding stability and the conditions under which the DTFT exists. Ultimately, the participants express uncertainty about the ROC calculation and its implications for the Z-transform's validity.
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Homework Statement


Calculate the Z-transform of the function x[n] = u[n]-u[-n-1].

Homework Equations


X(z) = ZT\{x[n]\} = \sum_{n=-\infty}^{\infty}x[n]z^{-n}

ZT\{u[n]\} = \displaystyle\frac{1}{1-z^{-1}}, ROC: |z| > 1.
ZT\{-u[-n-1]\} = \displaystyle\frac{1}{1-z^{-1}}, ROC: |z| < 1.

ZT\{x[n]\} = X(z), ROC: R1
ZT\{y[n]\} = Y(z), ROC: R2
ZT\{ax[n]+by[n]\} = aX(z)+bY(z), ROC: at least R1\cap R2

The Attempt at a Solution


Using formulas in section 2. it is obvious that X(z) = ZT\{x[n]\} = \displaystyle\frac{2}{1-z^{-1}}, but which is the ROC? The intersection between |z| > 1 and |z|< 1 is null.

Thank you.
 
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Isn't it that if there the intersection of the ROC is null then you can't use the z-transform because it diverges?
 
SpaceDomain said:
Isn't it that if there the intersection of the ROC is null then you can't use the z-transform because it diverges?

I thought that, but if you take z = e^(j*Omega), you obtain the correct Fourier transform.

In addition (without rigorousness), this z-transform was asked in an exam and I'm sure it exists. What is happening?
 
Bromio said:
I thought that, but if you take z = e^(j*Omega), you obtain the correct Fourier transform.

So taking the z-transform and evaluating at z = e^(j*Omega) is the definition of the DTFT, right? Isn't the DTFT more prone to instability than the z-transform?

Hmm.. I will think about this more. Maybe someone else is better suited to answer this question as my DSP class begins covering the z-transform this upcoming Monday (good time to start reading up on it though!).

Is this for a graduate level DSP course? Just curious.
 
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SpaceDomain said:
So taking the z-transform and evaluating at z = e^(j*Omega) is the definition of the DTFT, right? Isn't the DTFT more prone to instability than the z-transform?

Yes, DTFT only exists if the unit circle |z| = 1 is in the ROC.

So I don't know if I'm making mistakes and this ROC is miscalculated or if there is another explanation to this behavior.

SpaceDomain said:
Is this for a graduate level DSP course? Just curious.
Yes. Electrical engineering, more exactly.
 
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