Rotation of Axes showing parabola

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The discussion revolves around the rotation of axes to analyze a given equation, specifically to demonstrate that it represents a parabola. The original poster presents an equation involving variables x and y and seeks to transform it into a new coordinate system to identify properties of the parabola, including the vertex, focus, and directrix.

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  • The original poster attempts to use rotation of axes and has derived expressions for x and y in terms of new coordinates X and Y. They express uncertainty about the next steps to take in the transformation process and how to find the vertex and focus.
  • Some participants confirm the correctness of the transformations and suggest completing the square to further analyze the equation.
  • There are questions regarding the accuracy of the derived coordinates for the vertex and focus, with references to discrepancies noted when comparing results with external sources.

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Participants are navigating new concepts related to conic sections and transformations, indicating a learning process that involves questioning assumptions and verifying calculations. There is mention of external validation from tools like WolframAlpha, which raises concerns about the accuracy of the derived results.

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I was given the equation: 2sqrt(2)(x+y)^2=7x+9y

I need to then:
a)Use rotation of axes to show that the following equation represents a parabola
b) Find the XY- and xy- coordinates of the vertex and focus
c) Find the equation of the directrix in XY- and xy-coordinates


Formulas provided:

General Equation of a Conic
Ax^2+Bxy+Cy^2+Dx+Ey+F=0

cot2(fi) =A-C/B

x=Xcos(fi)-Ysin(fi)
y=Xsin(fi)+Ycos(fi)


So, I got up to a certain point but now I am unsure as to what I must do.
I solved for fi, which equals 45 degrees

I solved for x and y which is

x= X/sqrt(2) -Y/sqrt(2)
y= X/sqrt(2)+Y/sqrt(2)


I think I should plug it into the original equation to get x^2=4py or y^2=4px?
Then I am just oblivious as to how I should solve for directrix and vertex,focus for XY, and xy

Any help would be appreciated
This section is new to me so I am working on learning the fundamentals of this section and this touches upon all aspects of the section.
 
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hi indio1! welcome to pf! :smile:

(have a square-root: √ and a phi: φ and try using the X2 button just above the Reply box :wink:)
indio1 said:
I solved for x and y which is

x= X/sqrt(2) -Y/sqrt(2)
y= X/sqrt(2)+Y/sqrt(2)

that's right! :smile:

you should get something like X2 + Ax + By = 0

 
So, i then get this

4x'2 - 8x' - y' = 0.

Put in other form:

y' = 4x'2 - 8x'

y' + 4 = 4(x'2 - 2x' + 1)

y' = 4(x' - 1)2 - 4

vertex is at (1,-4) in x'y'-coordinates. use the formulae for expressing x,y in terms of x',y'.

the x-coordinate of the vertex is (1)(√2/2) - (-4)(√2/2) = (5√2)/2
the y-coordinate of the vertex is (1)(√2/2) + (-4)(√2/2) = -(3√2)/2

standard form:

(x' - 1)2 = 4(1/16)(y' + 4)

focus of the parabola in x'y'-coordinates is at (1,-63/16) and the directrix is the line y' = -65/16.



(1)(√2/2) - (-63/16)(√2/2) = (79√2)/32
(1)(√2/2) + (-63/16)(√2/2) = -(47√2)/32



line is of the form: y - y0 = x - x0.


(0)(√2/2) - (-65/16)(√2/2) = (65√2)/32 <---x0
(0)(√2/2) + (-65/16)(√2/2) = -(65√2)/32 <---y0.

this tells us the equation of the directrix in xy-coordinates is: y = x - (65√2)/16

According to wolframalpha, something is wrong here.
the focus is at the point 79/16sqrt(2) and -47/16sqrt(2) and the directrix is at the point x -65/8sqrt(2)


What is wrong here?
 
indio1 said:
So, i then get this

4x'2 - 8x' - y' = 0.

Put in other form:

y' = 4x'2 - 8x'

y' + 4 = 4(x'2 - 2x' + 1)

y' = 4(x' - 1)2 - 4

looks fine down to here :smile:

(i can't remember anything about focus and directrix, so i can't comment on the rest :redface:)
 

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