Rotation of Rod Homework: Max Angle, Motion Analysis

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The discussion focuses on a physics homework problem involving a uniform thin rod and a bullet, analyzing the maximum angle the rod can reach after the bullet strikes it. The conservation of energy is not applicable due to the perfectly inelastic collision, where the bullet becomes part of the rod, necessitating the use of momentum or angular momentum conservation instead. The result for the maximum angle is derived using the conservation principles, leading to a specific equation involving the rod's mass and bullet's velocity. For the motion analysis, the system behaves like a pendulum undergoing simple harmonic motion (SHM) post-collision, with a need to calculate moments of inertia for detailed description. Understanding these concepts is crucial for solving the problem accurately.
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Homework Statement


A uniform thin rod with mass M and length L nailed by frictionless pivot can swing freely on the wall as shown in Fig. The pivot locates at the distance L/4 from the bottom and stops inside. The velocity of the bullet before hitting the rod is v. (a) Compute the max. angle that the rod can reach after the shot. (b) If the swinging angle is small, describe the motion of the whole system (rod+bullet) in detail.

The Attempt at a Solution


I used the conservation of energy and concept of mass center.
The result of (a) is cos\theta = \frac{2mv^2-(M+2m)gL}{L(1+\frac{m}M)}.
I don't really understand how to get (b).
 
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hi rbwang1225! :smile:
rbwang1225 said:
I used the conservation of energy …

nooo :redface:

energy is never conserved in a collision unless the question says so :wink:

in this case, energy is obviously not conserved, since the bullet becomes part of the rod, and the collision is perfectly inelastic

however, momentum or angular momentum is always conserved in a collision :smile:

(for b, the system becomes a pendulum, with shm)
 
tiny-tim said:
hi rbwang1225! :smile:


nooo :redface:

energy is never conserved in a collision unless the question says so :wink:

in this case, energy is obviously not conserved, since the bullet becomes part of the rod, and the collision is perfectly inelastic

however, momentum or angular momentum is always conserved in a collision :smile:

(for b, the system becomes a pendulum, with shm)
Oh...right! I forgot the reason why the bullet stuck in the rod!
Now that means I have to calculate the moments of the inertia...
I know it would be a SHM but how do I describe "in detail"?
Thanks a lot!
 
rbwang1225 said:
I know it would be a SHM but how do I describe "in detail"?

τ = Iα :wink:
 
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