Rotational Kinetic energy in a loop

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The discussion centers on determining the minimum height required for a marble to successfully navigate a loop-the-loop without falling off. The total mechanical energy at the starting point is equated to the energy at the top of the loop, leading to the equation mgh = mgR + 1/2mv^2 + 1/2Iω. Errors in substituting variables were identified, specifically using R instead of r in the centripetal force equation. After corrections were made, the problem was ultimately solved, confirming the importance of accurate variable representation. The conversation also references the source of the problem, suggesting it may be from HC Verma's "Concepts of Physics."
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The marble rolls down a track and around a loop-the-loop of radius R. The marble has mass m and radius r (see picture). What minimum height h must the track have for the marble to make it around the loop-the-loop without falling off?


This is driving me nuts. I know that the total mechanical energy at the top of the track (starting point) is mgh, and at the top of the loop, it is mgR + 1/2mv^2 + 1/2I\omega, so mgh = mgR + 1/2mv^2 + 1/2I\omega. I then substituted 2/5mr^2 for I (general I of a sphere), and v/r for \omega. Leaving that for a moment, I found that the sum of forces at the top of the loop are F = ma_c = m*(v^2/r) = mg - n. Since I'm trying to find the point where n=0, I substituted 0 for n, and solved for g = v^2/r. Then I substituted v^2/r for g in my earlier equation that I obtained for total mechanical energy. Simplifying everything gave me h = R + 0.7r, which is incorrect. I would really like to know where my error lies. The answer must include the variables r and R. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.
 

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Metalsonic75 said:
This is driving me nuts. I know that the total mechanical energy at the top of the track (starting point) is mgh, and at the top of the loop, it is mgR + 1/2mv^2 + 1/2I\omega,

Should be omega^2.

Leaving that for a moment, I found that the sum of forces at the top of the loop are F = ma_c = m*(v^2/r) = mg - n. Since I'm trying to find the point where n=0, I substituted 0 for n, and solved for g = v^2/r.

Should be R here, not r.
 
Everything is done properly except those mistakes which Shooting mentioned.

And by the way,is this a sum from HC Verma?
 
FedEx said:
Everything is done properly except those mistakes which Shooting mentioned.

And by the way,is this a sum from HC Verma?

Thanks for the help, Shooting star. I was able to solve the problem. And, sorry FedEx, I have no idea what you're talking about.
 
Metalsonic75 said:
Thanks for the help, Shooting star. I was able to solve the problem. And, sorry FedEx, I have no idea what you're talking about.

I was just asking whether the problem was from a book named Concepts Of Physics by HC Verma.
 
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