Rotational Motion and Conservation of Energy

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A uniform solid sphere rolls up an incline at 20 m/s, and the goal is to calculate the height attained while ignoring friction. Initial attempts to solve the problem neglected the rotational kinetic energy, leading to incorrect height calculations. The correct approach incorporates both translational and rotational kinetic energy using the moment of inertia for a uniform sphere, which is I = (2/5)mr^2. After applying the conservation of energy principle and correcting for rotational energy, the height attained is calculated to be approximately 28.57 meters. The discussion emphasizes the importance of considering both forms of kinetic energy in rotational motion problems.
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Homework Statement


A uniform solid sphere rolls on a horizontal surface at 20m.s^-1 and then rolls up an incline which has an angle on inclination of 30°. Ignoring friction, calculate the height attained by the sphere.


Homework Equations


Weren't given any specific equations to work with but here are some I've attempted to use:
Ek(lin)= 1/2 mv^2, Ek(rot)=1/2 Iw^2, Ep=mgh, Vf=Vi+at, D=Vi t + 1/2 at^2


The Attempt at a Solution


As it is a uniform sphere I ignored Ek(rot). We were given an answer of 29m.

E(before)=E(after)
Ek+Ep=Ek+Ep
1/2mv^2 +mgh= 1/2mv^2 +mgh (masses cancel)
0.5x20^2 + 9.8x0 = 0.5 (20/cos30)^2 + 9.8h Not sure if this is the right one to use
200 = 266.67 + 9.8h
-66.67 = 9.8h
h= - 6.8

So I tried looking at just the vertical component:
Vf=Vi+at
0=(20tan30) + 9.8 t
9.8t=11.55
t=1.18s

D=Vi t + 1/2 at^2
D=11.55 x 1.18 + 0.5 x 9.8 x 1.18^2
D= 20.41m

Does anyone see where I went wrong? Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
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AikiGirl said:

The Attempt at a Solution


As it is a uniform sphere I ignored Ek(rot). We were given an answer of 29m.

Uniformity does not mean ignorable rotational energy.

ehild
 
I still can't get the right answer?

Ek(rot) + Ek(lin) +Ep = Ek(rot) + Ek(lin) +Ep
1/2 Iw^2 + 1/2mv^2 +mgh = 1/2 Iw^2 + 1/2mv^2 +mgh
1/2 r^2(v^2)/(r^2) + 1/2 v^2 +0 = 0 + 0 + 9.8h
1/2 x 20^2 + 1/2 x 20^2 =9.8h
200+200 = 9.8h

h=40.8m

Is that right working??
 
AikiGirl said:
I still can't get the right answer?

Ek(rot) + Ek(lin) +Ep = Ek(rot) + Ek(lin) +Ep
1/2 Iw^2 + 1/2mv^2 +mgh = 1/2 Iw^2 + 1/2mv^2 +mgh
1/2 r^2(v^2)/(r^2) + 1/2 v^2 +0 = 0 + 0 + 9.8h
1/2 x 20^2 + 1/2 x 20^2 =9.8h
200+200 = 9.8h

h=40.8m

Is that right working??

Not quite. What's the moment of inertia for a uniform solid sphere?
 
According to wiki it's I = (2mr^2)/5

So,

1/2 x 2/5 x 20^2 + 200 =9.8h
280=9.8h
h=28.57m

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