Rough Inclined Plane - Find Coefficient of friction

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A block with a mass of 2kg is at rest on a rough inclined plane at 30°, experiencing a horizontal force of 20N. The equations set up to find the coefficient of static friction (μ) led to an incorrect negative value, indicating a mistake in the calculations or assumptions. The error was identified as a misinterpretation of the friction force direction, which should oppose the applied force. Correctly applying the friction force direction is crucial for accurate results. The discussion highlights the importance of careful algebra and understanding of forces in static equilibrium problems.
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Homework Statement


a block of mass 2kg is in at rest on a rough plane inclined at 30°, it is in limiting equilibrium with with a force of 20N applied horizontally (to the ground).

Find the coefficient of static friction between the block and the plane.

The Attempt at a Solution


<br /> R=mgcos30+20sin30\\<br /> .\\<br /> mgsin30-μR=20cos30\\<br /> mgsin30-μmgcos30+μ20sin30=20cos30\\<br /> 9.8-16.97μ+10μ=17.32\\<br /> 9.8-26.97μ=17.32\\<br /> -26.97μ=7.52\\<br /> μ=-0.28\\<br />
Now I now my answer cannot be minus something as 0<μ<1, however, I am unsure as to whether it is my understanding of the question or the algebra I have got wrong. I am sure its a silly mistake, it usually is with me but any help or advice is greatly appreciated.
 
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FaraDazed said:
<br /> R=mgcos30+20sin30\\<br /> <br /> mgsin30-μR=20cos30\\<br /> mgsin30-μmgcos30+μ20sin30=20cos30\\
When you substituted the two terms of R, only one of them got the minus sign.
 
It looks like that was just a typo on your part and that your calculation did carry the minus sign throughout.

But you made an assumption about the direction of the friction force that may not be justified. Try interpreting the problem like so: If that 20 N force were any greater, the block would start to slide up the incline.
 
Thanks for your help I just realized my silly mistake. Yeah I carried the minus sign through but it wasnt a typo it was a stupid mistake lol, I was saying to myself (as I was doing the problem) that if its going to be pushed up then the frictional force is in the opposite direction but still put -uR instead of + and even after looking at it a hundred times couldn't think what was wrong, as I was getting wrong answers (positive ones) to begin with so when I finally get the correct figure (only by luck) but minus it, I couldn't see where I went wrong.
 
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