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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the role of NASA versus private companies in space exploration and technology development. Participants explore the implications of government oversight, safety concerns, efficiency, and innovation in the context of space programs.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants highlight the significant financial waste in NASA's past shuttle replacement efforts, questioning the effectiveness of government programs.
  • Others argue for the necessity of government oversight in private corporations, citing concerns about corporate ethics and safety.
  • One participant suggests that the efficiency of corporations could be beneficial, while another counters that the profit motive may overshadow safety and ethical considerations.
  • There is a discussion about the balance of safety concerns in private versus government-run programs, with some expressing skepticism about the government's safety record.
  • Participants note that while NASA is known for innovation, corporations may be less willing to take risks due to financial constraints, leading to a debate over the trade-offs between progressive versus economically sound programs.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the effectiveness and safety of government versus private sector involvement in space exploration, with no consensus reached on which is preferable.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of safety concerns and the financial implications of both government and corporate approaches, but do not provide definitive data or conclusions to support their claims.

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The report described how, since the 1980s, nearly $5 billion — practically as much as it cost to build the original shuttle fleet — had been wasted in an effort to build some form of shuttle replacement. None of the programs NASA started — and that Congress had approved — ever got off the ground. Most of the programs never even built usable hardware.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2003-09-23-zimmerman-edit_x.htm
 
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I'd still suggest some serious government oversight...corporations are evil, in case you missed the last 20 years!
 
Originally posted by Zero
I'd still suggest some serious government oversight...corporations are evil, in case you missed the last 20 years!

ZERO! As a corporate stock holder I am deepely offended; at least I would be if I weren't so evil.

No doubt; we don't want the next Enron running the space program. Also, in a free market wouldn't we expect the safety concerns to be balanced against cost to a greater extent than now; you know, acceptable losses?
 
Safety concerns? That's a laugh...
 
Originally posted by Zero
Safety concerns? That's a laugh...
Its a tough battle to decide who would be more incompetent, a corporation or a government. The government has the inside track though, since it isn't burdened by the need to turn a profit or other market forces.
 
Originally posted by russ_watters
Its a tough battle to decide who would be more incompetent, a corporation or a government. The government has the inside track though, since it isn't burdened by the need to turn a profit or other market forces.

True. Counterpoint: Corporations can be much more efficient.
 
Originally posted by Zero
Safety concerns? That's a laugh...

I guess it would depend what type of safety you're speaking of, unsafe work environment can be very costly to private corporations. On the other hand who bears the cost of unsafe work environment in government equivalent? I'm not so sure that the government has that great of a track record on safety either. I don't have the numbers to support that (I haven't looked for em, yet.)..but I'm firm enough in my belief to bet on it.
 
Originally posted by russ_watters
Its a tough battle to decide who would be more incompetent, a corporation or a government. The government has the inside track though, since it isn't burdened by the need to turn a profit or other market forces.
But, at the same time, the drive for profit makes any and all other concerns nearly nonexistant, in this new 'market', where making a buck is more important than human beings, the environment, or anything else you can think of.
 
Corporations are less likely to be radical when the financial risks are so high - to push technology to new places. NASA is known for its innovation - not that corporations are not, but in an area like space where, as mentioned, costs run in the hundreds of millions to even create a design, corporations are less likely to take risks. There is a counterpoint of course, NASA propensity to take risks runs hand in hand with its propensity to lose money on failed projects. We just have to decide if we want to fund a more progressive program (NASA) or a more economically sound program (no doubt one of the big aero-space corporations).
 

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