Scattering in Solid State Theory.

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around scattering processes in solid state physics, particularly focusing on electron-phonon, phonon-phonon, and x-ray-phonon scattering. Participants explore the mechanisms behind these processes, the implications of anharmonic interactions in phonon-phonon scattering, and the concept of Umklapp scattering, including its effects on momentum conservation and crystal dynamics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses concern about the lack of rigorous mathematical treatment of scattering processes in Kittel's book, questioning the underlying mechanisms of electron-phonon, phonon-phonon, and x-ray-phonon scattering.
  • Another participant suggests that phonon-phonon scattering processes can only occur through anharmonic interactions, prompting a request for clarification on this concept.
  • A participant raises a question about Umklapp scattering, specifically regarding the conservation of momentum and the absence of identified forces or recoil associated with the addition of a reciprocal lattice vector G.
  • One participant explains that in Umklapp scattering, the "missing" momentum is transferred to the crystal as a whole, which theoretically results in negligible recoil due to the large mass of the crystal.
  • Another participant challenges the idea that phonon-phonon U-processes wouldn't lead to a significant recoil or increase in kinetic energy of the crystal over time.
  • A later reply clarifies that phonons are eigenstates of the harmonic part of the Hamiltonian, indicating that phonon-phonon scattering is indeed due to anharmonic terms, and discusses the distinction between true momentum and crystal momentum in the context of Umklapp scattering.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the treatment of scattering processes in different texts, with some preferring Ashcroft and Mermin over Kittel. There is ongoing debate regarding the implications of Umklapp scattering and the conservation of momentum, indicating that multiple competing views remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the lack of rigorous mathematical treatment in some texts and the complexity of the interactions involved in scattering processes, which may depend on specific assumptions and definitions not fully explored in the discussion.

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I've been reading Kittel's book on Solid state physics and while it's been mostly smooth sailing, the abrupt loss of rigour in places in unsettling. In particular, the bits about scattering seem to be just thrown in here and there without any rigourous mathematical treatment at all.

He talks about electron-phonon , phonon-phonon, and x ray - phonon scattering processes. What exactly are the mechanisms behind these processes. How and why does this kind of scattering occur. Further, how does phonon and electron scattering off a lattice imperfection occur? Surely, there must be some kind of theory behind scattering which makes all this rigourous.

Secondly, he says that phonon-phonon scattering processes can only occur by an anharmonic interaction. I'm not sure if I've understood this. What exactly does this mean ?

An lastly, Umklapp scattering. I get how the mathematics behind the whole things works out, but if you're claiming that momentum isn't conserved in a certain process, shouldn't you identify the force in play that makes it happen? Shouldn't there be some kind of 'recoil' or 'force' associated with the addition of a reciprocal lattice vector G. The book I'm using doesn't identify any such 'force' or 'recoil'.

Thanks for all the help. Greatly appreciated. :)
 
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Have you tried to look at Ashcroft and Mermin?
 
No. I haven't. I've heard it's a much better treatment of the subject though. Would you recommend it highly ?
 
Yes. I very much prefer Ashcroft and Mermin over Kittel.
 
For Umklapp scattering, the assumption is usually that the "missing" momentum is transferred onto the crystal as a whole. For an (near) infinite crystal the mass is (near) infinite, such that the recoil velocity is (near) zero, and also the kinetic energy transferred to the crystal as a whole is (near) zero (p^2/2m).
 
But then wouldn't enough of these phonon-phonon U-processes cause the crystal as a whole to recoil with an appreciable velocity? Or an appreciable increase in the kinetic energy of the crystal.
 
I also recommend very much Ashcroft and Mermin.
A phonon is an eigenstate of the harmonic part of the hamiltonian, thus phonon phonon scattering must be due to anharmonic terms. You can check this expanding e.g. a Q^3 term in terms of phonon creation and anihiliation operators.
Concerning Umklapp scattering, true momentum is conserved in these processes and is taken up by the crystal, however, for an infinitely large crystal, the change in energy is negligible. On the other hand, crystal momentum isn't conserved, but it is a completely different quality than true momentum.
 

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