Schrodinger Equation and seperation of variables

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The discussion revolves around the separation of variables in the context of the Schrödinger Equation, specifically addressing the claim that any solution can be expressed as a superposition of separable solutions. Participants explore the implications of this approach, its validity, and the conditions under which it holds.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that the separable form of the wavefunction \(\Psi(x,t) = \psi(x)\phi(t)\) is a convenient method for solving the Schrödinger Equation, suggesting that superposition of these forms can yield a general solution.
  • Others argue that while superposition is valid for linear differential equations, the claim that every solution can be expressed as a linear combination of separable solutions may not hold universally.
  • A participant highlights the necessity of establishing existence and uniqueness results for solutions to initial or boundary value problems, referencing the Cauchy–Kowalevski theorem as relevant to the discussion.
  • Another participant notes that certain potentials allow for separable solutions, particularly when the potential is independent of time or exhibits specific symmetries.
  • One contribution introduces the concept of Sturm-Liouville theory, suggesting that solutions can be expressed in terms of eigenfunctions of a Hermitian operator, which may relate to the general solution framework.
  • A participant raises a concern about the implications of separating variables, questioning whether it restricts the motion of the particle and affects the probability flux.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the claim that all solutions can be represented as superpositions of separable solutions. While some support the idea based on linearity, others challenge its universality, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the need for specific conditions regarding the potential and the nature of the differential equation to determine the applicability of separable solutions. The discussion reflects a range of assumptions and interpretations about the separation of variables and its implications.

McLaren Rulez
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Hi,

In Griffiths QM, it is claimed that to solve the Schrödinger Equation, we take the solution wavefunction [itex]\Psi(x,t)[/itex] to be of a seperable form [itex]\psi(x)\phi(t)[/itex].

He then says that a superposition of these seperable forms can always give us the general solution. Can someone help me prove that statement? How do I know that every solution [itex]\Psi(x,t)[/itex] is a linear combination of solutions of the form [itex]\psi(x)\phi(t)[/itex]

Thank you!
 
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McLaren Rulez said:
He then says that a superposition of these seperable forms can always give us the general solution. Can someone help me prove that statement? How do I know that every solution [itex]\Psi(x,t)[/itex] is a linear combination of solutions of the form [itex]\psi(x)\phi(t)[/itex]
This is not mainly caused by the fact that these are solutions to the differential equation. It is just that, in general, you can write any suitably well-behaved function F(x,y) as a linear combination:
[tex]F(x,y) = \sum_{i,j} c_{ij} f_i(x) g_j(y)[/tex]
where c_ij are the coefficients and f_i/g_i are functions spanning the complete x/y function space, respectively. The solution functions of the separated problems give you such sets normally.

The separation ansatz just gives you a set of such functions which is likely to be sensible in some regard (i.e., to not require overly many such product functions to approximate a real solution to a desired degree). This works best if the degrees of freedom you are separating into are only loosely coupled---or actually independent. And of course, any linear combination of solutions of a linear differential equation will also be a solution to the differential equation.
 
The separable form is a convenience only, textbook example. One can offer nonseparable solutions for various potentials. As for the superposition, i don't think it's true.
 
"Superposition" of solutions to get a general solution is true for any linear differential equation.
 
So is there a proof for this result? That the general solution of any linear DE is a superposition of the separable solutions. Thank you!
 
McLaren Rulez said:
So is there a proof for this result? That the general solution of any linear DE is a superposition of the separable solutions. Thank you!

You're postulating too strong of a result.

To start, we must have results on existence and uniqueness of solutions to the initial or boundary value problem for a given differential equation. If the coefficients of the PDE are analytic functions (admit a locally-convergent power series expansion), then a major result is the Cauchy–Kowalevski theorem. This result establishes the existence and uniqueness of an analytic solution to the initial value problem.

I'm no expert on the subject, but the online notes at http://www.math.ucdavis.edu/~hunter/pdes/pdes.html seem to be a nice treatment. The heat and Schrödinger equation (at least in one space dimension) are discussed in Ch. 5.

Now, certain PDEs admit separable solutions. If we can establish a separable solution to an initial value problem that satisfies the restrictions of the Cauchy–Kowalevski theorem, then we can conclude that it is the unique solution.

Next, we can ask what PDEs will admit separable solutions. The time dependent Schrödinger equation

$$ i \partial_t \Psi(\mathbf{x},t)= \hat{H} \Psi(\mathbf{x},t)$$

$$ \hat{H} = - \Delta + V(\mathbf{x},t)$$

separates in space and time when the potential is independent of time, ##V(\mathbf{x},t)= V(\mathbf{x})##. Similarly, the time-independent Schrödinger equation

$$ \hat{H} \psi(\mathbf{x})= E \psi(\mathbf{x})$$

will admit separable solutions whenever there is some symmetry of the potential that would cause

$$\frac{d V(\mathbf{x})}{du} =0,~~~ u = f(\mathbf{x}).$$

This is a complicated way of saying that there is a change of variables such that the potential function is independent of at least some of the variables. In principle, there are even time-dependent potentials that are separable after a change of variables that mix space and time coordinates.
 
The key term is Sturm-Liouville. A Sturm-Liouville differential equation can be cast in terms of a Hermitian differential operator, and its solutions written in terms of functions that are eigenvectors of this operator. One then can bring to bear the full machinery of linear operators in a Hilbert space to write the general solution as a linear combination of the eigensolutions.
 
Excuse me if I am wrong but if we separate variables like ψ(x)[itex]\phi[/itex](t), then we would be eliminating any possibility of motion for the particle since [itex]\phi[/itex](to), for any to, would affect equal to all the points in the space and the integral of |ψ(x)|2 for all the space must be equal to zero, so there would not be flux of probability.
 

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