Second degree function under root - integral

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the integral \(\int\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{a^2+x^2}}\,\text dx\), which is connected to finding the y-coordinate of the mass center of a curve defined by \(y=\text{arsinh}\,\frac{x}{a}\). Participants are exploring methods to approach this integral and its implications in the context of mass center calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Some participants suggest the possibility of using Euler substitution, while others express doubt about the integral being elementary, indicating it may relate to elliptic integrals. There is also discussion about the original problem's context and whether alternative methods for calculating the mass center exist.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights about the nature of the integral and its complexity. Some have provided guidance on how to interpret the integral in terms of elliptic functions, while others are seeking clarification on the original problem and its parameters.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original problem involves computing the mass center of a uniform wire along the curve \(y=\text{arcsinh}\,\frac{x}{a}\), with specific endpoints mentioned. There is also a mention of translation issues regarding the problem statement.

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Homework Statement



Integral:

[tex]\int\sqrt{1+\frac{1}{a^2+x^2}}\,\text dx[/tex]

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I don't know any method at the moment. Maybe Euler substitution? But this integral is [tex]\int\sqrt{\frac{1+a^2+x^2}{a^2+x^2}}[/tex] after making some calculation, but it is still not similar to any other I have seen in the past.
 
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That doesn't look like an elementary integral to me. More like an elliptic integral. I don't think the usual techniques will get you very far.
 
Dick said:
That doesn't look like an elementary integral to me. More like an elliptic integral. I don't think the usual techniques will get you very far.

Indeed. Maple gives a rather complicated expression in terms of ellipitic functions.
 
The original problem was: calculate y coordinate of mass center of line: [tex]y=\text{arsinh}\,\frac xa[/tex]

I need to compute:

[tex]y_a=\frac{\int_Ly\,\text dl}{\int_L\text dl}[/tex]

and I got this integral from first post. Any other method for mass center?

Thanks for answers by the way :)
 
Chromosom said:
The original problem was: calculate y coordinate of mass center of line: [tex]y=\text{arsinh}\,\frac xa[/tex]I need to compute:[tex]y_a=\frac{\int_Ly\,\text dl}{\int_L\text dl}[/tex]and I got this integral from first post. Any other method for mass center?

Thanks for answers by the way :)
What is the wording of the original problem?
 
It's other language... in translation, I need to compute y coordinate of mass center.
 
Chromosom said:
It's other language... in translation, I need to compute y coordinate of mass center.
So, are you to compute the center of mass of a uniform wire lying along the curve, [itex]\displaystyle \ \ y=\text{arcsinh}\,\frac xa\ ?[/itex]

What are the endpoints?
 
Yeah. [tex]x\in[0,b][/tex]

Thanks for help :)
 
If [itex]\displaystyle \ \ y=\text{arcsinh}\,\frac xa\,,\[/itex] then [itex]\displaystyle \ \ x=a\, \sinh(y)\ .[/itex]

You can compute the line integral in terms of either x or y -- or some other parameter for that matter.

[itex]\displaystyle d\ell^2=dx^2+dy^2\ .[/itex]

[itex]\displaystyle d\ell=\sqrt{1+\left(dy/dx\right)^2\ }\ dx=\sqrt{1+\left(dx/dy\right)^2\ }\ dy[/itex]
 
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Thanks for help:) but then I have [tex]\sqrt{1+\cosh^2x}[/tex] and nothing to do with it...
 
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As has been pointed out before, the original integral gives a formula in terms of an elliptic function. A simple change of variable isn't going to change the nature of the problem.
 

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