Second Order Differential Equation (homogenous)

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Homework Statement


Given y_1(x)=x is a solution to (2x-1)y''-4xy'+4y=0, find y(2) given (y(1),y'(1))=(0, 0). Utilize method of reduction of order.

I need help with this as I end up getting some ugly (in my mind, anyways) integrals. Thanks in advance!

The Attempt at a Solution



Let y=y_1v=xv, hence y'=v'x+v, and y''=2v'+v''x.

4xv'-2v'+2x^2v''-xv''-4xv-4x^2v'+4xv=0
4xv'-2v'+2x^2v''-xv''-4x^2v'=0
Let w=v'
After separating I get:
\frac{dw}{w}=\frac{4x^2-4x+2}{2x^2-x}dx

\frac{4x^2-4x+2}{2x^2-x}=2+\frac{A}{x}+\frac{B}{2x-1}
where A(2x-1)+Bx=-2x+2, hence (A, B)=(-2, 2)
Therefore,
\frac{dw}{w}=(2-2\frac{1}{x}+2\frac{1}{2x-1})dx
ln|w|=2x-2ln|x|+2ln|2x-1|+C_1
w=\frac{e^{2x+C_1}(4x^2-4x+1)}{x^2}
Next, I know I am supposed to integrate this to determine y', however, I am unsure of how to go about doing this.
 
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You should be able to determine C1 at this stage from the initial conditions. The answer is rather interesting, but I'm not sure what the implications are.
 
Well, w=v'=\frac{y'-v}{x}=\frac{y'-y/y_1}{x}, however, the initial values causes this to fall to zero, so I am a little confused.
 
sandy.bridge said:
Well, w=v'=\frac{y'-v}{x}=\frac{y'-y/y_1}{x}, however, the initial values causes this to fall to zero, so I am a little confused.
Exactly. A degenerate solution, perhaps?
 
My apologies. This is the first time I have seen this, and my textbook does not seem to mention anything regarding degenerate solutions. What exactly does this imply? Does that mean I assume v'=0 and start again?
 
It implies to me that with these initial conditions y will be always 0. That's certainly a solution.
 
Okay, let's say that y(1)=1 instead.
That results in -1=e^{2x+C_1} which is impossible, however, the example that I am looking at states that if y(1)=1 there is a solution. What sort of trick does one do after getting to this point, though? If it were zero I can see how that would indicate that v was a constant since v'=0. However, being that it is equal to -1 with y(1)=1, y'(1)=0, I don't quite see what that implies.
 
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sandy.bridge said:
Okay, let's say that y(1)=1 instead.
That results in -1=e^{2x+C_1}
No, you correctly had ln|w| on the LHS, not ln(w).
 
Ah yes, don't know how that got away from me. Which brings me to C_1=-2. I still have to do a nasty integral to determine v do I not?
 
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I believe that integral can be reduced/equated to integrating a double exponential. There's nothing special about the range, so it cannot be done analytically.
But how come you changed the b.c. from y(1)=0 to y(1)=1? Which is actually wanted?
 
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There was both that I wanted to go over. Thanks for your help! Now that I know I cannot analytically solve that, I am done.
 
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I have been notified that there is an error as this problem is indeed doable analytically. Here is my adjusted work, however, still seems rather tricky to solve:
Let y=y_1v=xv, hence y'=v'x+v, and y''=2v'+v''x.

4xv'-2v'+2x^2v''-xv''-4xv-4x^2v'+4xv=0
4xv'-2v'+2x^2v''-xv''-4x^2v'=0
Let w=v'
After separating I get:
\frac{dw}{w}=\frac{4x^2-4x+2}{2x^2-x}dx

\frac{4x^2-4x+2}{2x^2-x}=2+\frac{A}{x}+\frac{B}{2x-1}
where A(2x-1)+Bx=-2x+2, hence (A, B)=(-2, 2)
Therefore,
\frac{dw}{w}=(2-2\frac{1}{x}+2\frac{1}{2x-1})dx
ln|w|+c_1=2x-2ln|x|+ln|2x-1|
From here we can utilize y'=v'x+v, since w=v' we have y'(1)=w(1)(1)+1 and w(1)=-1.

ln|-1|+c_1=2,c_1=2
Therefore,
v=\int\frac{e^{2x-2}(2x-1)}{x^2}dx

From here you can get the right answer by factoring out e^(-2) and applying integration by parts.
 
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sandy.bridge said:
v=\int\frac{e^{2x-2}(2x-1)}{x^2}dx

From here you can get the right answer by factoring out e^(-2) and applying integration by parts.
I got that far before, but it didn't seem like integration by parts would help. What I didn't consider was whether the nasty parts might cancel, so here goes:
##\int_1^2\frac{e^{2x}(2x-1)}{x^2}dx = 2\int_1^2\frac{e^{2x}}{x}dx - \int_1^2\frac{e^{2x}}{x^2}dx = 2\int_1^2\frac{e^{2x}}{x}dx + [\frac{e^{2x}}{x}]_1^2 - 2 \int_1^2\frac{e^{2x}}{x}dx##
Bingo.
 
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e^{-2}[2\int\frac{e^{2x}}{x}dx-\int\frac{e^{2x}}{x^2}dx]=e^{-2}[2\int\frac{e^{2x}}{x}dx-\frac{e^{2x}}{x}-2\int\frac{e^2x}{x}dx]=-\frac{e^{2x-2}}{x}+c_2
I used U=e^{2x}, dU=2e^{2x}dx, dV=1/x^2dx, V=-1/x

From here I determined c_2=2,, and y(2)=-3.38906 which was the solution.
 
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