Second order differential equation using substitution

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The problem involves a second order differential equation expressed in terms of the variable \(\theta\) and includes a substitution \(x = \cos\theta\). The equation is presented in a form that suggests a relationship between trigonometric functions and derivatives of \(y\).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply a substitution and differentiate using the chain rule but expresses uncertainty about the next steps. Some participants provide guidance on using the chain rule for differentiation and the transformation of derivatives. Others question the validity of certain derivative expressions and seek clarification on solving the differential equation.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants offering hints and clarifications regarding the differentiation process. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity of the problem, and while some guidance has been provided, there remains a lack of consensus on the best approach to solving the equation.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the implications of the substitution and the associated derivatives, with some expressing confusion about the differentiation process and the formation of an auxiliary equation. The original poster has requested hints rather than complete solutions, indicating a focus on understanding rather than resolution.

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Homework Statement


[tex]\sin\theta\frac{d^2y}{d\theta^2}-\cos\theta\frac{dy}{d\theta}+2y\sin^3\theta=0[/tex]

Homework Equations


Use the substitution [itex]x=\cos\theta[/itex]

The Attempt at a Solution


I started off by listing:

[tex] x=\cos\theta\\<br /> <br /> \frac{dx}{d\theta}=-\sin\theta\\<br /> <br /> \frac{d^2x}{d\theta^2}=-\cos\theta\\[/tex]

But don't know whether this helps, or where to go next. Could someone please give me a hint at how to approach this, I'd prefer not to have a full solution, but really am desperate for a starting point!

With very many thanks,

Froskoy.
 
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Since you are differentiating with respect to [itex]\theta[/itex], you need to use the chain rule:
[tex]\frac{dy}{d\theta}= \frac{dy}{dx}\frac{dx}{d\theta}= -sin(\theta)\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex]
Then
[tex]\frac{d^2y}{d\theta^2}[/tex]
[tex]= \frac{d}{d\theta}(\frac{dy}{d\theta})[/tex]
[tex]= \frac{d}{d\theta}(cos(\theta)\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex]
[tex]= -sin(\theta)\frac{dy}{dx}+ cos(\theta)\frac{d}{d\theta}\frac{dy}{dx}[/tex]
[tex]= -sin(\theta)\frac{dy}{dx}+ cos^2(\theta)\frac{d^2y}{dx^2}[/tex]
 
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Thanks very much! Have got it now!
 
Hi! I was wondering why
d/dθ (dy/dθ ) does not =d/dθ (-sin(θ) dy/dx)?

Also, once you have the relevant expressions how do you solve the differential equation? Do you have to form the auxilliary equation? I tried to do that but it doesn't work out nicely.

Thanks!
 

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