Seemingly simple kinematics question

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The discussion revolves around a kinematics problem involving a car that accelerates and decelerates over a distance of 105 meters, starting and stopping at rest. Participants are tasked with determining the maximum velocity the car can reach given two different accelerations: +7.5 m/s² for acceleration and -10 m/s² for braking.

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  • Participants discuss using constant acceleration equations and the relationship between acceleration, distance, and velocity. There are attempts to break the motion into segments and to apply the kinematic equation v² = u² + 2as. Some participants express confusion about how to relate the two segments of motion and the total distance.

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Several participants have offered guidance on breaking the problem into two segments for acceleration and deceleration. There is an ongoing exploration of the relationships between initial and final velocities, as well as the distances covered during each phase. Some participants have shared their calculations and findings, but there is no explicit consensus on the maximum velocity or the reasoning behind the results.

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Participants are working under the constraints of the problem's parameters, including the total distance and the requirement to start and stop at rest. There is a noted uncertainty regarding the application of calculus principles and the implications of their findings on maximum velocity.

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This question appears to be very simple at first but has stumped me for hours now:

we are given 2 accelerations
+7.5m/s^2 and -10m/s^
a car brakes and accelerates at these rates
over 105m, what is the maximum velocity the car will reach, starting and stopping at rest?


Originally I was thinking to use one of the three constant acceleration equations but I always end up going nowhere (0=0, 7.5t=10t) etc. The closest I've gotten was plotting a velocity-time graph but I can think of no way to find the constant to be added onto the line -10t to make the area under it and 7.5t equal 105m. I believe I just have to use the formula v^2 = vi^2 + 2(s-si) but every time I try I'm stuck!

If some1 can point me in the right direction itd be of awesomeness! Thank you for your time.
 
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macmav said:
I believe I just have to use the formula v^2 = vi^2 + 2(s-si) but every time I try I'm stuck!
That's the equation I would use. Break the motion into two segments: Speeding up (a1 = 7.5 m/s^2) and slowing down (a2 = -10 m/s^2). Don't forget that the distance traveled in each segment must add up to the total distance given.
 
You're right about using the formula [tex]v^2 - u^2 = 2as[/tex]. Write down two equations, one for the part where the car accelarates, and an other when the car decelarates. Add the two equations. (Make sure you get the signs right)
 
The maximum speed will be the speed at the end of the acceleration, just before the driver applies the brakes. Once the brakes is applied the speed of the car will start to decrease - that is the whole idea behind braking!
 
hi , i thought this problem is to be solved by maxima/minima of calculus but following above suggestions i arrived at the following,

1) The final velocity when the car is accelerating is the initial velocity when it is decelerating (brakes applied).
2) So i used the formula suggested above and found the vmax to be 30 m/sec and the distance/displacement achieved is 60 meters from starting pt and t=4 sec (applying the brake at t=4 sec).
3) i just tried to see what happens when the driver applied the brakes at t=5 secs, i got vmax of 37.5 but using this as initial velocity on the second part i found that final velocity is not zero, (34.37 m/sec).

I don't know the principle behind on why such simple equation for like this will yield the max velocity. Thanks to all.
 

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