Show that [A, F(B)] = [A, B]F'(B)

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The problem involves the commutation relations of operators A and B, specifically showing that the commutator [A, F(B)] equals [A, B]F'(B) where F(B) is defined as a power series. The context is rooted in quantum mechanics or linear algebra, focusing on operator algebra.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the application of the commutation relations to the power series representation of F(B). There are attempts to compute [A, B^n] for specific values of n and to generalize the result. Questions arise about how to handle the sum in the series and the implications of constants in the commutation relations.

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Some participants have shown specific cases for n=2, 3, and 4, suggesting a pattern that supports the general claim. There is mention of using mathematical induction to prove the result for all n, and guidance has been provided regarding the linearity of the Lie bracket over scalars.

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Participants note the importance of handling constants correctly in the context of the commutator and express uncertainty about how the sum affects the overall proof. There is an acknowledgment of the need for a rigorous approach to generalize from specific cases.

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Homework Statement


A and B commute with their commutator, C=[A,B]
Show that [A, F(B)] = [A, B]F'(B)
F(B) = ∑n=0fnBn

Homework Equations


[A,B] = AB - BA
[A,BC] = [A,B]C + B[A,C]

The Attempt at a Solution


So all I can think to do is:
[A,Bn] = [A,BBn-1] = [A,B]Bn-1 + B[A,Bn-1]
=ABBn-1-BABn-1+BABn-1-BBn-1A
=ABBn-1 - BBn-1A
and this seems to be a dead end? Just loops back around to ABn - BnA
If this is along the right track, whereabouts would I go next? If this is not the way to start it, how would I go about beginning this problem?
And even if this is along the right lines, I've ignored the sum here as I'm not quite sure how that affects the whole thing.

Thanks for your time
 
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Jon.G said:

Homework Statement


A and B commute with their commutator, C=[A,B]
Show that [A, F(B)] = [A, B]F'(B)
F(B) = ∑n=0fnBn

Homework Equations


[A,B] = AB - BA
[A,BC] = [A,B]C + B[A,C]

The Attempt at a Solution


So all I can think to do is:
[A,Bn] = [A,BBn-1] = [A,B]Bn-1 + B[A,Bn-1]
=ABBn-1-BABn-1+BABn-1-BBn-1A
=ABBn-1 - BBn-1A
and this seems to be a dead end? Just loops back around to ABn - BnA
If this is along the right track, whereabouts would I go next? If this is not the way to start it, how would I go about beginning this problem?
And even if this is along the right lines, I've ignored the sum here as I'm not quite sure how that affects the whole thing.

Thanks for your time

Start by showing the case where f(B)=B^2. You should get [A,f(B)]=[A,B]2B. Which is [A,B]f'(B). Then try f(B)=B^3. For the general case use induction to prove if f(B)=B^n, then [A,B^n]=[A,B]nB^(n-1). Which is [A,B]f'(B). Now deal with the sum.
 
Ooh ok thanks.
So I went through it with n=2,3 and 4 and [A, F(B)] = [A, B]F'(B) was shown for each of them.
For the sum is it simply that when n is any value, fn is a constant so that
(for example)
[A,f2B2] = [A, f2B]B + f2B[A, B]
f2 a constant and can be taken outside of [] as it effect both sides the same so (and as B commutes with [A, B])
[A, f2B]B + f2B[A, B] = [A,B]f2B + [A,B]f2B
=[A,B]2f2B = [A, B]F'(B)
?
Is this how it's shown?
 
Jon.G said:
Ooh ok thanks.
So I went through it with n=2,3 and 4 and [A, F(B)] = [A, B]F'(B) was shown for each of them.
For the sum is it simply that when n is any value, fn is a constant so that
(for example)
[A,f2B2] = [A, f2B]B + f2B[A, B]
f2 a constant and can be taken outside of [] as it effect both sides the same so (and as B commutes with [A, B])
[A, f2B]B + f2B[A, B] = [A,B]f2B + [A,B]f2B
=[A,B]2f2B = [A, B]F'(B)
?
Is this how it's shown?

Yes, the Lie bracket is linear over scalars, so ##[A,cf(B)+dg(B)]=c[A,f(B)]+d[A,g(B)]##. That's how you take care of the sum. It's good that you've shown it works for n=2,3 and 4. To show it's true for general ##n## that ##[A,B^n]=[A,B]nB^{n-1}## there's a general procedure called mathematical induction. You assume it's true for ##n## and then show that it must be true for ##n+1##. Since you've already shown that it works for small values of n, that shows it works for all values of n. A less formal argument is to show, for example, that ##[A,B^3]=[A,BBB]=[A,B]BB+B[A,B]B+BB[A,B]## and then say this pattern holds for all n.
 
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