Show that u'(t) = r(t).(r'(t)Xr'''(t))

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The problem involves a vector-valued function u(t) defined in terms of the vector-valued function r(t) and its derivatives. The task is to show a relationship between the derivative of u(t) and the third derivative of r(t) using properties of vector calculus, specifically involving dot and cross products.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss various methods for differentiating the function u(t), including the application of product and cross product rules. Some express confusion about the nature of u(t) and its scalar versus vector characteristics.

Discussion Status

The discussion includes attempts to differentiate u(t) using established vector calculus identities. Some participants provide insights into simplifying terms, while others share their struggles with the computations involved. There is no explicit consensus on a single approach, but several lines of reasoning are being explored.

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One participant notes the stress of time constraints during an exam, which may have impacted their ability to complete the problem. There is also mention of the need to understand the properties of cross products more thoroughly.

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Homework Statement


Let u(t) be a vector valued function, where

u(t) = r(t).(r'(t)Xr''(t))

where r(t) is a vector valued function, and (r'(t)Xr''(t)) the cross product of the first and second derivative of r(t). Show that

u'(t) = r(t).(r'(t)Xr'''(t))

where r'''(t) is the 3rd derivative of r(t).

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The Attempt at a Solution



I got this question on an exam and did not know how to solve it. I started out by computing the cross product of (r'(t)Xr''(t)) by using determinants, and then took the dot product of r(t).(r'(t)Xr''(t)), which gave me a really ugly vector. I ran out of time while computing r(t).(r'(t)Xr'''(t)). Is there some other technique I could've applied to prove this?

Thanks,
M
 
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u(t) is a scalar, not vector-valued. You can see that many terms in the derivative of u cancel or vanish by using the identities

[tex]\vec{a}\times \vec{b} = - \vec{b} \times {a}[/tex]

[tex]\vec{a}\cdot (\vec{b}\times \vec{c}) = \vec{c} \cdot( \vec{a}\times{b}).[/tex]
 
I'm using ' for derivative & without t in parantheses.:--

u=r.(r'Xr"), differentiating both sides, use these two formulas: (a.b)'=a'.b + a.b'
(aXb)'=a'Xb + aXb'

u' = r'.(r'Xr") + r.(r'Xr")'
= 0 + r.(r"Xr" + r'Xr''') = r(r'Xr''') since a.(aXb )= 0 and aXa = 0
proved
 
let [tex]r=a\vec{i}+b\vec{j}+c\vec{k}[/tex]

[tex] \begin{bmatrix}<br /> a'b'c''\ -a'b''c'\ +b'c'a''\ -b'c''a'\ +c'a'b''\ -c'a''b' \\ <br /> ab''c''\ -ab'''c'\ +bc''a''\ -bc'''a'\ +ca''b''\ -ca'''b' \\ <br /> ab'c'''\ -ab''c''\ +bc'a'''\ -bc''a''\ +ca'b'''\ -ca''b'' <br /> \end{bmatrix}<br /> \\ [/tex]
It's not a matrix, you should read it as one line addition.yep, it' spretty ugly if you're under stress and hurry.

Row 1 completely disappear 1with 4, 2-5, 3-6
Then
r2c1 with r3c2
r2c3 with r3c4
r2c5 with r3c6

Remain 6 terms, the other equation.
 
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Thanks everyone. I understand it now. I should have studied the properties of cross product more closely.

M
 

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