Showing elements in an extension field Z[sqrt(-5)] have gcd = 1

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The discussion revolves around showing that the elements 3 and 2+\sqrt{-5} in the ring \textbf{Z}[\sqrt{-5}] have a greatest common divisor of 1, while also exploring the nature of the ideal I = (3, 2+\sqrt{-5}) and its properties regarding being principal or not.

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  • Participants discuss the irreducibility of the elements 3 and 2+\sqrt{-5} as a means to establish their relative primality. There is also an exploration of the implications of their norms. Some participants suggest using contradiction to show that the ideal is not the total ring, while others question the definition of a total ring and the relationship between gcd and principal ideals.

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The discussion is active, with participants offering various approaches to proving the gcd and the nature of the ideal. Some have provided reasoning for irreducibility and potential contradictions, while others are clarifying definitions and relationships between concepts without reaching a consensus.

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Participants are navigating the definitions of ideals and their properties, particularly in the context of non-principal ideals and the implications of gcd in this setting. There is uncertainty regarding the completeness of their arguments and the need for further proof or clarification.

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Homework Statement


Show that the elements 3 and 2+\sqrt{-5} in \textbf{Z}[\sqrt{-5}] have a greatest common divisor of 1, but the ideal I = (3, 2+\sqrt{-5}) is not the total. Conclude that I is not principle.


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I have got as far as attempting to show the first part. If I show that both 3 and 2+\sqrt{-5} are both irreducible in \textbf{Z}[\sqrt{-5}] then they are relatively prime and hence have gcd of 1?
Also, the norms of both the numbers are 9, so does this do anything at all?
The way I have argued that both 3 and 2+\sqrt{-5} are irreducible is:
Let 3=ab with a and b in \textbf{Z}[\sqrt{-5}].
Now |a|^{2}*|b|^{2}=9 which has only 1,3,9 as positive factors.
If |a|^{2}=3 then a=x+y\sqrt{-5} with x,y satisfying x^{2}+5y^{2}=3.
There are no such integers, so |a|^{2}=/=3.
So either |a|=1 or |b| = 1. so either a or b is a unit, so 3 is irreducible.
Exactly the same for 2+\sqrt{-5} since 4+5=9, then argue the same way.

But I don't really know what to do from here,
And how do I argue that the Ideal is not the total?

As for the last statement, is it true that if an ideal of two coprime numbers is not the whole ring, then the ideal is not principal?

Many thanks in advance.
 
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To prove that the ideal is not the total ring. Proceed by contradiction: assume that there exists a,b\in \mathbb{Z}{\sqrt{-5}} such that

1=a.3+b.(2+\sqrt{-5})

Now try to reach a contradiction...
 
OK.
So letting a=x+y\sqrt{-5} and b=u+v\sqrt{-5}, x,y,u,v\in \textbf{Z}
we can multiply out your expression to give
1=3x+3y\sqrt{-5}+2u+u\sqrt{-5}+2v\sqrt{-5}-5v
Which can then be rearranged to give
x=\frac{(\sqrt{-5}(3y+u+2v)-1)}{3}
which means that x is something multiplied by the square root of minus 5, so cannot be an integer, as assumed.
I presume similar arguments can be made for y,u,v, meaning that we have our required contradiction?
 
So the definition of an ideal being the total ring is that multiplying the elements of the ideal by arbitrary elements of the ring gives 1?
Why is this?
Also, does my argument show that the greatest common divisor is 1? As I have shown (have I?) that they are both irreducible and so are both prime. And two prime numbers have gcd 1.

And then to finish off, I can just say that since an ideal of two elements with gcd 1 is not the whole ring, then the ideal is not principal? Is this true? Or do I need to prove something else in the meantime? If so, what?

Many thanks.
 
Tom! To prove that the gcd(2+\sqrt{-5})=1 you can use this:
divisors(3)=+-1,+-3. So you only have to try if those numbers divide 2+\sqrt{-5}.
Of course, the don't. Therefore gcd=1.
 

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