Showing that a group isn't cyclic.

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating that the group \((\mathbb{Z}/32\mathbb{Z})^{*}\) is not cyclic. Participants are examining the properties of the multiplicative group of units modulo 32.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the order of elements in the group, with one noting that a calculator suggests all elements have order 8, while others question this assumption and suggest a deeper examination of the definitions of order.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing insights into the properties of group elements and questioning the assumptions made about their orders. Some guidance has been offered regarding the implications of element orders and the structure of the group.

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There is mention of the order of the group being 16, which is derived from the Euler's totient function, and the need to show that elements cannot all have order 8 or lower. Participants are encouraged to reconsider their definitions and understanding of group properties.

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Homework Statement



Show that [tex]\left( \mathbb{Z}/32\mathbb{Z}\right)^{*}[/tex] is not a cyclic group.

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A little calculator magic has showed that all elements in the group have order 8, but that doesn't seem like a very educational solution :). If anyone could explain why all elements have the same order, it would be much appreciated.
 
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It cannot be that all of the elements have order 8 - the square of any element of order 8 has order 4. So, put the calculator away and think instead (or do it by hand).
What is the order of Z/32Z*? Is there an element of that order?
 
The order of (Z/32Z)* (the multiplicative group of units) is phi(32)=16. So if I can show that all elements have order 8 or lower, I've shown that none of them can be generators. I guess my problem is that I don't see how to do this without resorting to a calculator.

I'm not sure what you mean by the square of any element of order 8 has order 4.
 
djxl said:
The order of (Z/32Z)* (the multiplicative group of units) is phi(32)=16. So if I can show that all elements have order 8 or lower, I've shown that none of them can be generators. I guess my problem is that I don't see how to do this without resorting to a calculator.

I'm not sure what you mean by the square of any element of order 8 has order 4.

Think about it, if a has order 8 then a^8=1, what about a^2 though? a^8=(a^2)^4 which says that a^2 has order 4, but besides that an even simpler reason that not all elements have order 8 is that the identity certainly doesn't have order 8.
 
If you don't see why the square of an element of order 8 has order 4, then you need to relearn your definitions of order.

There is a unique cyclic group of order 16. You can count all the elements of all orders. You can then simply show that this group you have to play with fails to have the right properties.
 
Ahh, I get it now. Thanks both of you.
 

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