Sign convention of fixed end moment at cantilever beam

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The discussion revolves around the sign convention for the fixed end moment at a cantilever beam, specifically at point A. Participants are examining the apparent contradiction between the calculated moment and its representation in a moment diagram, focusing on the implications of clockwise and anticlockwise moments in the context of equilibrium and sign conventions.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants express confusion regarding why the fixed end moment at AE is stated as 10 kNm clockwise, while calculations suggest it should be anticlockwise.
  • One participant notes that for equilibrium, the sum of moments must equal zero, leading to the conclusion that the moment at A must be clockwise if the applied loading is anticlockwise.
  • Another participant points out that clockwise moments acting on a left-hand section are typically considered negative, which contradicts the representation in the moment diagram provided by the author.
  • There is a suggestion that the moment diagram may have been drawn unconventionally, leading to confusion about the sign of the moments.
  • A participant questions the internal moment's direction and its relationship to the reaction moment, proposing that the internal moment must counter the resultant moment to satisfy equilibrium.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct interpretation of the moment's sign convention. There are multiple competing views regarding the representation of moments in the diagram and the implications of the sign convention.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the assumptions made about sign conventions and the representation of moments in diagrams. The discussion highlights the dependence on definitions and the potential for confusion when conventions are not consistently applied.

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Homework Statement


I don't understand why the fixed end moment at AE is 10KNm ( clockwise) .

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The Attempt at a Solution


Forger about the sign convention here , i have the resultant moment = 10KNm , which ic clockwise , why in the 2nd picture ( SFD and BMD part) , the moment is anticlockwise ?

The moment at AE= 5(2) - 10(2) = -10(anticlcockwise) , why it's clockwise as shown in the diagram in the 2nd picture?
 

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fonseh said:

Homework Statement


I don't understand why the fixed end moment at AE is 10KNm ( clockwise) .

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution


Forger about the sign convention here , i have the resultant moment = 10KNm , which ic clockwise , why in the 2nd picture ( SFD and BMD part) , the moment is anticlockwise ?

The moment at AE= 5(2) - 10(2) = -10(anticlcockwise) , why it's clockwise as shown in the diagram in the 2nd picture?
You must sum moments equal to 0 for equilibrium, so when drawing a free body diagram of AE and summing moments about the cut section at A, the applied loading is 10 kNm anticlockwise, so the moment in the beam at A in that diagram must be 10 kNm clockwise.

In terms of normal sign convention, clockwise moments acting on a left hand section are negative (hogging moments, beam bending convex downwards ), but unfortunately, the author drew the moment diagram unconventionally; it should me mirrored for conventional signage.
 
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PhanthomJay said:
You must sum moments equal to 0 for equilibrium, so when drawing a free body diagram of AE and summing moments about the cut section at A, the applied loading is 10 kNm anticlockwise, so the moment in the beam at A in that diagram must be 10 kNm clockwise.

In terms of normal sign convention, clockwise moments acting on a left hand section are negative (hogging moments, beam bending convex downwards ), but unfortunately, the author drew the moment diagram unconventionally; it should me mirrored for conventional signage.
Do you mean that to produce sum of moment = 0 , the moment should counter The moment at AE= 5(2) - 10(2) = -10(anticlcockwise) , so , the moment is clockwise ?
 
PhanthomJay said:
clockwise moments acting on a left hand section are negative
The moment is clockwise , so they it's neagtive -10 as stated by the author , right ? anything wrong with it ?
 
fonseh said:
The moment is clockwise , so they it's neagtive -10 as stated by the author , right ? anything wrong with it ?
I'm not sure what the author is stating. The internal moment at A acting on Section AE is clockwise. The picture is confusing I think. Clockwise moments acting on left hand sections are negative, by convention. But the author goes against convention when drawing the moment diagram, and shows the moment as positive. You can argue that being unconventional is ok, but it is wrong as far as I am concerned, because it does not follow the calculus of dM/dx = V
 
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PhanthomJay said:
I'm not sure what the author is stating. The internal moment at A acting on Section AE is clockwise.
Can you explain why the internal moment is clockwise of 10 ?

Should i explain in this way ? Since internal moment = reaction moment , so at left of A , the moment resultant = 10Nm anticlockwise , reaction moment has to be 10NM clockwise ??
 
fonseh said:
Can you explain why the internal moment is clockwise of 10 ?

Should i explain in this way ? Since internal moment = reaction moment , so at left of A , the moment resultant = 10Nm anticlockwise , reaction moment has to be 10NM clockwise ??
Since internal moment = reaction moment , so at left of A , the moment resultant = 10Nm anticlockwise , reaction moment has to be 10NM clockwise, in order to satisfy the equilibrium requirement that the sum of all moments about any point must equal 0.[/color]
 
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