Signal Analysis - Using Convolution

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the analysis of a signal defined as x(t)=cos(4t)+cos(5t)+cos(6t) and its convolution with a specified impulse response h(t). Participants explore how to determine the value of T such that the output y(t) equals Acos(4t)+Bcos(5t) when x(t) is the input. The conversation includes attempts to solve the problem using convolution and Fourier transforms, focusing on the mathematical intricacies involved.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the problem can be solved using Fourier Transform, suggesting T=π/3 as the solution.
  • Another participant questions how to approach the convolution directly, indicating the need to express the integral in a manageable form.
  • A participant provides a detailed convolution integral setup but notes that the resulting expression is complicated and involves a sum of sine functions.
  • One participant acknowledges the complexity of the integral and mentions using a trigonometric identity to simplify the terms, leading to a different proposed value of T=π/6.
  • Another participant expresses gratitude for the help and confirms that the multiple-choice question indicates T=π/3 as the correct answer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the value of T, as one participant proposes T=π/3 while another suggests T=π/6 based on their calculations. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct value of T.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the integration process and the simplification of trigonometric expressions. There are also references to potential algebra mistakes, indicating that the calculations may depend on specific assumptions or methods used.

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Homework Statement



Consider the signal x(t)=cos(4t)+cos(5t)+cos(6t), and the SLIT with impulse response:


h(t)=\begin{cases} 1, & \mbox{if } |t|<T \\ 0, & \mbox{if } |t|>T \end{cases}

For what value of T is the output of the system y(t) equal to Acos(4t)+Bcos(5t), when x(t) is the input?

The Attempt at a Solution


I know that this can be solved through Fourier Transform and the solution is T=\pi /3. My problem is that I tried to do this using the convolution, but it gaves me a sum of sin and i don't know how to progress to solve by that way, or if it is possible to do it.
 
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How were you planning to solve it using convolution directly? You'd have to compute the integral of h(s)*x(t-s)*ds, but first you'd have to express h(s)*x(t-s) in terms of analytical functions that can be easily integrated. One way to do this would be to use the Fourier transform, but if you're going to do that, you might as well use the convolution theorem.
 
I was thinking to do it with the convolution directly:

\intop_{-\infty}^{+\infty}x(\tau)h(t-\tau)d\tau=\intop_{-T+t}^{T+t}x(\tau)h(t-\tau)d\tau=\intop_{-T+t}^{T+t}[cos(4\tau)+cos(5\tau)+cos(6\tau)]d\tau.

Integrating I get a very complicated expression with a sum of sin. I don't know how to progress further at this point.
 
cathode-ray said:
I was thinking to do it with the convolution directly:

\intop_{-\infty}^{+\infty}x(\tau)h(t-\tau)d\tau=\intop_{-T+t}^{T+t}x(\tau)h(t-\tau)d\tau=\intop_{-T+t}^{T+t}[cos(4\tau)+cos(5\tau)+cos(6\tau)]d\tau.

Integrating I get a very complicated expression with a sum of sin. I don't know how to progress further at this point.

Yup, that should work. (Ignore what I said in the previous post; I was just being stupid.)

Integrating that should give you 1/4*(sin(4*(T+t)) - sin(4*t-T)) plus 2 other terms. You can use the sum-to-product identity:

sin u − sin v = 2 sin(½(u−v)) cos(½(u+v))

to simplify each term into a cosine factor that depends on t, and a sine factor that depends on T.

Using both this method and the convolution theorem, I got T=pi/6. Are you sure it's pi/3? (Not a rhetorical question; it wouldn't be the first time I made an algebra mistake!)
 
Thanks for your help! I rellay didn't have any idea how to progress. That trigonometric identity really helps a lot.

Yes its a multiple choice question and the correct option according to the solution is \pi/3.
 

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