Silly Question on Binding for Piston

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The discussion centers on the relevance of distance D1 in preventing binding for a dual connected piston within a tube, particularly under the influence of side forces. It highlights the relationship between normal forces and moments at points A and B, suggesting that the balance of these moments is crucial for stability. As D1 approaches zero, the moments at point B are influenced primarily by force F, raising concerns about how this affects binding due to friction. The conversation suggests that understanding the moments and their balance is key to determining an optimal D1 to eliminate binding. Ultimately, the inquiry emphasizes the complexity of piston stability and the need to consider multiple factors beyond just D1.
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Hi,

Another fellow engineer told me that for a dual connected piston guided inside a tube (as shown in the diagram below), the distance D1 has to be chosen correctly in order to avoid binding (I'm guessing from friction only) since there may be a side force present. This is ignoring gravity for now. In the example discussed there is a force F applied with some side force component Fn. I couldn't make sense as to why D1 is relevant. Can anyone explain it easily?

The only thing that comes to mind is that I see a normal force at point A and point B as a result of Fn. I can see how maybe there is a moment created at point B by the normal force at point A times the distance D1 and then a moment at point B from the force F times D2/2. Would the balance of those moments result in the value for D1?

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dsurfer21 said:
to why D1 is relevant
What happens to the moments you've described as D1 goes to zero?
 
Bystander said:
What happens to the moments you've described as D1 goes to zero?

The moments at point B would be

F times D2/2

minus

Fn/2 times D1

As D1 goes to zero the moment at point B would be F times D2/2. I'm not sure how this relates to binding unless a positive moment is contributing to a force normal to the tube and friction comes into play. Is there another correct explanation?
 
As stated the question is not very meaningful . Piston stability depends on many different things .
 
Thank you, I thought the same and I know there are other factors to consider for piston stability.

However I was asked what distance D1 would eliminate binding ignoring all other effects. Is this a matter of solving for the moments about point B and making sure they sum to zero?
 
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