Silly Question on Binding for Piston

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the mechanics of a dual connected piston guided inside a tube, specifically focusing on the relevance of the distance D1 in avoiding binding due to side forces. Participants explore the relationship between applied forces, moments, and the conditions under which binding may occur, while ignoring gravity and other factors.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the significance of distance D1 in relation to binding, suggesting that the moments created by forces at points A and B may be relevant.
  • Another participant prompts further exploration by asking what happens to the moments as D1 approaches zero, indicating a potential shift in the mechanics involved.
  • A subsequent reply discusses the moments at point B, noting that as D1 decreases, the moment at point B simplifies to F times D2/2, but expresses uncertainty about how this relates to binding and friction.
  • One participant asserts that the question lacks meaning, emphasizing that piston stability is influenced by multiple factors beyond just D1.
  • Another participant acknowledges the complexity of piston stability but seeks clarification on whether determining D1 involves solving for moments about point B to ensure they sum to zero.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relevance and implications of distance D1, with some questioning its significance while others seek to clarify its role in the context of moments and binding. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise relationship between D1 and binding.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the exclusion of gravity and other factors that may affect piston stability, as well as the need for further clarification on the assumptions underlying the moments discussed.

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Hi,

Another fellow engineer told me that for a dual connected piston guided inside a tube (as shown in the diagram below), the distance D1 has to be chosen correctly in order to avoid binding (I'm guessing from friction only) since there may be a side force present. This is ignoring gravity for now. In the example discussed there is a force F applied with some side force component Fn. I couldn't make sense as to why D1 is relevant. Can anyone explain it easily?

The only thing that comes to mind is that I see a normal force at point A and point B as a result of Fn. I can see how maybe there is a moment created at point B by the normal force at point A times the distance D1 and then a moment at point B from the force F times D2/2. Would the balance of those moments result in the value for D1?

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dsurfer21 said:
to why D1 is relevant
What happens to the moments you've described as D1 goes to zero?
 
Bystander said:
What happens to the moments you've described as D1 goes to zero?

The moments at point B would be

F times D2/2

minus

Fn/2 times D1

As D1 goes to zero the moment at point B would be F times D2/2. I'm not sure how this relates to binding unless a positive moment is contributing to a force normal to the tube and friction comes into play. Is there another correct explanation?
 
As stated the question is not very meaningful . Piston stability depends on many different things .
 
Thank you, I thought the same and I know there are other factors to consider for piston stability.

However I was asked what distance D1 would eliminate binding ignoring all other effects. Is this a matter of solving for the moments about point B and making sure they sum to zero?
 

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