Simple Atwood apparatus question

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The discussion revolves around a question related to the Atwood machine, specifically focusing on the calculation of tension in the string when a person of mass m is holding both ends of the string. The scope includes conceptual understanding and mathematical reasoning related to static equilibrium in the system.

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  • Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the tension in the string as T=0.5mg, reasoning that since the system is not moving (a=0), the forces must balance with m1 and m2 being half the mass of the person.
  • Another participant agrees with the initial calculation but suggests a different approach, stating that the tension can be found by recognizing that the ropes exert an upward force on the person, leading to the equation 2T - mg = 0, which results in T = mg/2.
  • A third participant expresses appreciation for the clarification provided by the second participant, indicating that the explanation helped them understand the concept better.
  • A fourth participant comments on the potential confusion that can arise when dealing with pulleys, emphasizing the need for careful consideration in such problems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is some agreement on the calculation of tension, but the participants present different methods to arrive at the answer. The discussion does not reach a consensus on the preferred approach.

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The discussion does not address potential limitations or assumptions in the calculations presented, such as the treatment of the person as two separate masses or the implications of static equilibrium in the Atwood machine.

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Individuals preparing for standardized tests like the MCAT, students studying mechanics, or anyone interested in understanding the dynamics of Atwood machines and tension in strings.

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I had this question on the MCAT earlier, and I'm not sure if I did it properly.
There is an Atwood machine such that a person of mass m is holding onto both ends of the string. What is the tension in the string? According to my calculations, since a=0 since the string is not moving, T=0.5m*g. I think if you would cut the person in half, each half, m1 and m2, would have a mass of 0.5m. Thus:
T-m1g= ma
m2g-T=ma
So a=0 since there is no acceleration and m1=m2=0.5m. This gives us T=0.5mg Did I approach this correctly? I've enclosed a picture of the problem:

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Your answer is correct. Rather than cut the person in half, just realize that the ropes pull up on the person twice:
2T - mg = 0, thus T = mg/2.
 
Thanks for your help! That makes more sense.
 
Yeah, pulleys can be counter-intuitive if you are not careful. So I tend to be extra careful when dealing with them :).
 

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