Evaluating S x^5 / [rt(x^2-ax)]dx

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In summary, this conversation is trying to find a way to evaluate the indefinite integral S x^5 / [rt(x^2-ax)]. My idea was to rewrite it as x^(9/2) / [rt(x-a)] and then do the substitution u = rt(x-a). But this too is difficult to evaluate. Welcome to PF!
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Homework Statement



Is there a simple way to evaluate

S x^5 / [rt(x^2-ax)] dx ?

That is, the indefinite integral of (x^5) / [square root of (x^2-ax)].

The Attempt at a Solution



My idea was to rewrite it as x^(9/2) / [rt(x-a)] and then do the substitution u = rt(x-a).
Then you get

S 2(u^2+a)^(9/2) du

But this too is difficult to evaluate.
 
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Welcome to PF!

Howsertal said:
∫ x^5 /√(x² - ax) dx ?

Hi Howsertal! Welcome to PF! :smile:

Hint: it's always worth trying completing the square … that is, putting (x² - ax) in the form ((x-b)² - c). :smile:
 
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Hmm okay, so that puts it in the form

∫ x^5 / √[(x-(a/2))² - (a²/4)] dx

One possible substitution seems to be u = x-(a/2) but that puts it in the form

∫(u+(a/2))^5 / [u²-(a/2)²] du = ∫ (u+(a/2))^(9/2)) / [u-(a/2)] du

which doesn't seem a lot better than what we started with. A trig substitution of the form
[x-(a/2)] = (a/2)secψ in the first integral above would yield

∫ [(((a/2)secψ) + (a/2))^5)/tanψ] secψtanψ d ψ

= ∫ (((a/2)secψ +(a/2))^5 secψ d ψ

which doesn't seem to yield easily either =/. Those are the only obvious substitutions I can think of. Is there a trick to this or am I just not seeing something? Thanks a lot for your help (btw having the list of symbols in your sig is a great idea!)
 
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secant= 1/cosine. And odd powers of trig functions are relative easy to integrate.
 
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Hi Howsertal! :smile:
Howsertal said:
∫ ((secψ +(a/2))^5 secψ d ψ

Looks ok to me … :smile:

Hint: what is (d/dψ)(sec^{n}ψ tanψ)?

(yes … I tried to get them to put the symbols on the Reply page … but this is almost as good … and I only use the signature if I need it! :biggrin:)
 
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Do you mean that we can get

∫ (((a/2)secψ +(a/2))^5 secψ d ψ

into an expression just involving odd powers of trig functions?
 
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Tiny-tim,

That derivative came out to
[sec^{n+2}ψ](1+n) - nsec^{n}ψ

which seems like it could be helpful but I'm not sure how. Sorry if I seem really dense.

:frown:
 
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Hi Howsertal! :smile:

Well, you want to integrate (secψ +(a/2))^5 secψ, which is powers of secψ up to the sixth, and you now know that:

∫((n+1)sec^{n+2}ψ - nsec^{n}ψ) dψ = sec^{n}ψ tanψ :smile:
 
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Ah i see, thank you very much. So that's a nifty way of getting expressions for all the integrals of powers of secant recursively.
 
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