Simple pendulum with air resistance

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The discussion revolves around a mechanics homework problem concerning a simple pendulum with air resistance. Participants explore the mathematical modeling of the pendulum's motion, particularly focusing on the effects of air resistance on the pendulum's behavior and the derivation of relevant equations.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the problem involving a pendulum of length L and mass m, with air resistance modeled as a force proportional to the speed of the bob.
  • Another participant provides a derivation of the equations of motion, including the total force acting on the pendulum and the necessary approximations for small angular displacements.
  • Corrections are made regarding the expressions for acceleration and total force, emphasizing the need to apply Newton's laws correctly.
  • Participants discuss the implications of their calculations and how to approach the problem, including approximations like $\sin \theta \approx \theta$ for small angles.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the mathematical framework and the need for corrections in the initial expressions. However, the discussion remains unresolved regarding the specific outcomes of the pendulum's motion under the influence of air resistance.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the assumptions made, particularly regarding the small angle approximation and the treatment of air resistance. The discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps fully, leaving some aspects open for further exploration.

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Im getting stuck on a couple of the questions for my mechanics homework. Il put what I've done so far and hopefully someone can check I am doing it right n push me into the right direction for the rest.

"A grandfather clock has a simple pendulum of length L with a bob of mass m. The effect of air resistance is to produce a force on the bob of magnitude 2cm times its speed, where c > 0 is a positive constant.

(i) Show that, provided the angular displacement θ of the pendulum from the downward vertical is small, θ approximately satisfies the equation,

\[
\ddot{\theta}+2c\dot{\theta}+\frac{g}{L}\theta=0
\]

[Hint: Use polar coordinates and Taylor’s theorem as we did in lectures for the case without air resistance.]

(ii) Suppose now that c = $\sqrt{g/L}$. Show that if $\theta(0) = a$ and $\dot{\theta}(0) = 0$, then

$\theta(t) = a(1 + ct)e^{−ct}$

Will the pendulum ever return to the vertical position in this case? Explain
your answer"


so far I have:

The rod has fixed length r=L so
$\vec{r}=L\vec{e}_r$

as r=L is a constant, $\dot{r}=\ddot{r}=0$
so acceleration is
$\ddot{r}=(\dot{r}-r\dot{\theta}^2)e_r+(2\dot{r}\dot{\theta}+r\ddot{\theta})e_\theta$

$=-L(\dot{\theta}^2e_r+L\ddot{\theta}e_\theta$

so the total force is
$(mgcos\theta-T)e_r-(mgsin\theta+2cm\dot{x})e_\theta$I've completed a very similar question without air resistance without too much problems but not sure if I've added air resistance in right at all. Hope it at least makes some sense :/

Thanks
 
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Carla1985 said:
so far I have:

The rod has fixed length r=L so
$\vec{r}=L\vec{e}_r$

as r=L is a constant, $\dot{r}=\ddot{r}=0$
so acceleration is
$\ddot{r}=(\dot{r}-r\dot{\theta}^2)e_r+(2\dot{r}\dot{\theta}+r\ddot{\theta})e_\theta$

$=-L(\dot{\theta}^2e_r+L\ddot{\theta}e_\theta$

so the total force is
$(mgcos\theta-T)e_r-(mgsin\theta+2cm\dot{x})e_\theta$I've completed a very similar question without air resistance without too much problems but not sure if I've added air resistance in right at all. Hope it at least makes some sense :/

Thanks

Hi Carla1985! :)

Actually, if I'm nitpicking a bit, your formula for acceleration should be:
$$\ddot{\mathbf{\vec r}}=(\ddot{r}-r\dot{\theta}^2)\mathbf{\vec e_r} + (2\dot{r}\dot{\theta}+r\ddot{\theta})\mathbf{\vec e_\theta} = -L\dot{\theta}^2\mathbf{\vec e_r} + L\ddot{\theta}\mathbf{\vec e_\theta}$$
And your total force should be:
$$\mathbf{\vec F} = (mg\cos\theta-T)\mathbf{\vec e_r}-(mg\sin\theta+2cm \cdot L\dot{\theta})\mathbf{\vec e_\theta}$$

Since each of the components of $\mathbf{\vec F}$ must be equal to each of the components of $m\ddot{\mathbf{\vec r}}$ (Newton's 3rd law), you get:
$$\left\{\begin{array}{lll}
mg\cos\theta-T &=& -mL\dot{\theta}^2\\
mg\sin\theta+2cm \cdot L\dot{\theta} &=& mL\ddot{\theta}
\end{array}\right.$$
Furthermore, you can use the approximation $\sin \theta \approx \theta$.So where are you stuck?
 
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Actually your few alterations put me back on track, surprising how silly mistakes can confuse the whole thing. Thank you very much :D
 
I like Serena said:
Since each of the components of $\mathbf{\vec F}$ must be equal to each of the components of $m\ddot{\mathbf{\vec r}}$ (Newton's 3rd law), ...

Did you mean Newton's 2nd Law?
 
Ackbach said:
Did you mean Newton's 2nd Law?

Yep.
Thanks for spotting that.
 

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