Simplification of an integral please explain

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The discussion revolves around the simplification of a specific integral involving the square root of a difference of squares. Participants explore various methods for solving the integral and seek clarification on the relationship presented in the formula. The scope includes mathematical reasoning and problem-solving techniques related to integrals.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in understanding a given integral simplification and seeks help to clarify the relationship in the formula.
  • Another participant suggests using trigonometric substitution, specifically u = a sin(θ), to approach the integral.
  • A third participant reinforces the suggestion of using a right triangle and trigonometric identities as part of the substitution process.
  • A later reply indicates that the trigonometric substitution was successful for the original integral, but the participant encounters difficulty with a related homework problem involving finding a final value after performing an integral.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the utility of trigonometric substitution for the integral in question. However, the later homework problem remains unresolved, with the participant still seeking assistance.

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The discussion includes various approaches to solving integrals, but specific steps and assumptions in the problem-solving process are not fully detailed. The connection between the integral and the proposed methods may depend on the definitions and interpretations of the variables involved.

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Students and individuals interested in integral calculus, particularly those looking for techniques in solving integrals involving square roots and trigonometric substitutions.

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In doing math I try not to memorize shortcuts/simplifications, but instead understand what's happening. When studying integrals, my professor gave out a few "simplifications" for us to use on problems; most of which I have been able to figure out, except one. I just cannot seem to figure out the relationship given, please help clarify/explain. Thankyou.



\int(\sqrt{a^2-u^2})du = \left(\frac{u}{2}\right)\times\left(\sqrt{a^2-u^2}\right) + \left(\frac{a^2}{2}\right)\times\left(sin^{-1}\left(\frac{u}{a}\right)\right) + C



I have tried:
- u substitution
- trig substitution
- IBP

*It could be my steps, maybe I'm just doing the intermediates wrong.
**it took a really long time to put that formula in
 
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Hi phys-lexic! :smile:

(have a square-root: √ and try using the X2 tag just above the Reply box :wink:)

Try substituting u = asinθ, then use a couple of the standard trigonometric identities :smile:
 
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What he said. An integral with a difference of squares suggests a certain right triangle, and that can be used to suggest a certain trigonometric substitution. In this case, u = a \sin\theta
 
Thankyou, the trig-substitution worked and I set up the correct proof. If you wouldn't mind, we were assigned homework for an exam review. I finished the regular problems, but he gave us three "critical thinking" problems that would be way harder than the exam. I can do them all, but one is giving me issue (I cannot seem to find the final value of x after doing the integral). Here is a link to the problem I posted in the homework section, thankyou again).

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=2679179#post2679179
 

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