Simplified depressurisation time

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The discussion revolves around calculating the depressurization time of a gas cylinder containing nitrogen, specifically focusing on the effects of pressure, flow rate, and fitting dimensions. Participants explore theoretical approaches to simplify the calculation while considering the conditions of the gas release.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the initial problem of calculating the time until the gas cylinder is empty, assuming negligible temperature changes.
  • Another participant questions the area used for the 1/4" NPT fitting, suggesting a different internal diameter which leads to a revised area calculation.
  • It is noted that the flow from the fitting is likely to be choked due to the high pressure differential, with implications for the flow rate until the cylinder pressure drops below a certain threshold.
  • A later reply introduces an analytical solution for mass flow based on pressure and temperature, proposing a first-order ordinary differential equation (ODE) to model the mass flow rate, while acknowledging the neglect of viscosity and pressure losses through the regulator.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of recasting variables in terms of pressure for the calculations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the appropriate area for the fitting and the implications for flow characteristics. There is no consensus on the exact approach to calculating the depressurization time, as multiple models and assumptions are presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include potential inaccuracies in the fitting dimensions, assumptions regarding constant temperature, and the neglect of factors such as viscosity and pressure losses through the regulator.

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I have a gas cylinder pressurised to 16,600kPa and it holds 9.2m^3 of Nitrogen.

There's a regulator that steps the gas pressure down to 2.8kPa above ambient and exhausts through a 1/4 NPT fitting (A=32mm²?).

Assuming the gas release is slow enough to neglect temperature changes, is there a simplified equation to calculate how long until the cylinder is empty?

A search of similar threads here all have high flow rate and temperature complications.
 
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I'm not sure you are using the correct area for the 1/4" NPT fitting. The ID is usually 0.54 inches or 13.716 mm, which would give an area of about 147 mm^2.

In any event, the flow out of this fitting is going to be choked, given the ratio of the internal pressure of the cylinder to ambient pressure. When the flow is choked, the speed of the gas has reached Mach 1 (the speed of sound for that gas at ambient temperature) and the flow rate has reached a maximum. This flow rate will stay constant until the pressure in the cylinder declines below a certain amount, and then the rate will drop off until the pressure inside and outside the cylinder has equalized.

Does the nitrogen flow just thru the regulator and the fitting, or is there any additional piping or tubing involved?

And just to confirm, the pressure in the cylinder is 16,600,000 Pa (2400 psi give or take)?
 
SteamKing said:
I'm not sure you are using the correct area for the 1/4" NPT fitting. The ID is usually 0.54 inches or 13.716 mm, which would give an area of about 147 mm^2.

The ID of a 1/4" NPT fitting is, for standard fittings, 0.28" or 7.1 mm.
So ~39.6 mm^2

The rest of the post is super informative for the OP, just wanted to chime in for that point.
 
There exists a nice, clean, analytical solution for the mass flow given a total pressure, temperature, and cross-section. If you assume constant temperature (and area, obviously), you can set that equal to the mass flow rate, [itex]\frac{dm}{dt}[/itex], and you are left with a simple first order ODE with a constant coefficient of the form
[tex]\dfrac{dm}{dt} = -Cm[/tex]
where [itex]C[/itex] is a constant (from the equation I mentioned earlier). That should be super easy to solve and can give you the time until you reach the point the flow unchokes, at which point you will have to use the changing pressure differential to get the answer. This all neglects viscosity and any pressure loss through your regulator, but it should give you a pretty reasonable answer, especially at pressures well above where the flow unchokes and you don't have to worry so much about losses through the regulator. It's probably best if you recast the variables in terms of pressure, though, for your purposes.
 

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