Simplifying Expression using Logarithms

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The discussion revolves around simplifying logarithmic expressions using relevant logarithmic rules. Participants are exploring various approaches to simplify an expression involving logarithms, including the use of properties such as the product, quotient, and power rules of logarithms.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants express uncertainty about how to begin simplifying logarithmic expressions. Some share their attempts at applying logarithmic rules, while others seek clarification on specific steps and the rationale behind them.

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There is an ongoing exchange of ideas, with some participants providing guidance on logarithmic rules. Multiple interpretations of the simplification process are being explored, and participants are encouraged to articulate their reasoning and questions as they work through the problem.

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Some participants mention confusion regarding specific values and simplifications, indicating a need for further clarification on the application of logarithmic properties. There are also references to homework constraints and the expectation of independent problem-solving.

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Simplify the attached expression using any relevant logarithmic rules

I haven't really done much with logarithms, so i didnt know where to start?
 

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jahaddow said:
Simplify the attached expression using any relevant logarithmic rules

I haven't really done much with logarithms, so i didnt know where to start?

Given problem can be written as

log(2)4 + log(16)1/4 + log(1/4)2 - log(7/4)

Now use laws of logarithm to simplify.
 
the problem is I don't know how to do that?
 
jahaddow said:
the problem is I don't know how to do that?

log(a) + log(b) = log(ab)

log(a) - log(b) = log(a/b)
 
jahaddow said:
Simplify the attached expression using any relevant logarithmic rules

I haven't really done much with logarithms, so i didnt know where to start?

jahaddow said:
the problem is I don't know how to do that?
Then you should start by learning the "relevant logarithmic rules"!

[itex]log(ab)= log(a)+ log(b)[/itex]

[itex]log(a/b)= log(a)- lob(b)[/itex]

[itex]log(a^b)= b log(a)[/itex]
 
Can somebody please demonstrate the question?
 
No, you need to solve it yourself; you received sufficient help in the previous posts. Follow that advice.
 
That advice dosent get me anywhere!
 
Post what you have tried so far pertaining to the advice, or post and ask a question regarding the advice. If I asked you to simplify log(a) + log(b), how would you do it?
 
  • #10
well that would be log(ab)
 
  • #11
Yes, so look at the 3 logarithm rules provided by HallsofIvy and apply them to your problem.
 
  • #12
ok so I'm up to log(2^2) + log(16^1/4) + log(1/4^2) - log(7/4)
 
  • #13
Instead of log(22) it should be something else. Now, continue until you get an expression with only one log.
 
  • #14
yes ok it would be log(2^4), but then I really am stuck on what to do next!
 
  • #15
jahaddow said:
well that would be log(ab)

Follow your own advice. :wink:
 
  • #16
I don't know how to!
 
  • #17
jahaddow said:
I don't know how to!

OK.

What is 24, 161/4 and 42?

Substitute these values in my post #2 and simplify by using the relevant equation given by us.
 
  • #18
Would the answer be log(2/1.75)
 
  • #19
Ok, now I have one which is attached.
I have managed to get to this
logx4/logx1/3
What do I do from here?
 

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  • #20
Or would it be 12logx? I don't know.
 
  • #21
jahaddow said:
Or would it be 12logx? I don't know.

Your answer for the first problem is correct. But write it as a single number, not in the form of a fraction.

In the second problem from where did you get log(x) along with 12?
 
  • #22
The second problem, I worked out to be just 12 now. But the first problem, 2/1.75 equals a long decimal, so wouldn't I just leave it as a fraction?
 
  • #23
jahaddow said:
The second problem, I worked out to be just 12 now. But the first problem, 2/1.75 equals a long decimal, so wouldn't I just leave it as a fraction?

In that case you can write it as 8/7
 
  • #24
Thankyou Very Much! :D
 
  • #25
just one more question, how do I simplify this and express with positive indices.
(18x^3 X 2x^-4)/(4x^-5 X 6x)
 
  • #26
jahaddow said:
just one more question, how do I simplify this and express with positive indices.
(18x^3 X 2x^-4)/(4x^-5 X 6x)

[tex]\frac{36x^3}{x^4}\times\frac{24x}{x^5}[/tex]

Now simplify.
 
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could someone plese show a bit more detail with the second problem, where did 12 come from.
 
  • #28
xX-Cyanide-Xx said:
could someone plese show a bit more detail with the second problem, where did 12 come from.
= [tex]\frac{4\times3\log{x}}{\log{x}}[/tex]

Now siplify.
 
  • #29
I missed the step before that. wheres the 3 come from?

Sorry I am really bad at this.
 
  • #30
xX-Cyanide-Xx said:
I missed the step before that. wheres the 3 come from?

Sorry I am really bad at this.

[tex]\frac{1}{\frac{1}{3}\log{x}} = \frac{3}{\log{x}}[/tex]
 

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