Simulating bitwise AND operator

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The discussion revolves around finding the value of a specific binary bit in a decimal number without using bitwise operators. The user successfully eliminated one bitwise operation but seeks a method to simulate the bitwise AND operator using only arithmetic operations and high precision floating point numbers. They propose using a formula involving multiplication and division to extract the bit value, but face challenges with implementing a modulo operation due to the limitations of their toolset. The conversation also touches on the implications of using floating point representations and the difficulties in manipulating them for this purpose. Ultimately, the user is looking for a creative workaround to achieve the desired functionality.
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Hello,

I have a problem where I must get value of a given binary bit in decimal number:

f(decimal_number, bit_position) = bit_value

For example, getting bit values in decimal 14 (binary 1110):

f(14, 0) = 0
f(14, 1) = 1
f(14, 2) = 1
f(14, 3) = 1

In general it's easy:

(14 & 20) >> 0 = 0
(14 & 21) >> 1 = 1
(14 & 22) >> 2 = 1
(14 & 23) >> 3 = 1

& is bitwise AND
>> is bitwise arithmetic shift right

But in specific (technical) application I cannot use bitwise operators :(
So far I managed to get rid of one of them:

(14 & 20) / (20) = 0
(14 & 21) / (21) = 1
(14 & 22) / (22) = 1
(14 & 23) / (23) = 1

But how to get rid of bitwise AND operator?

Specific application limits me to following things to play with:
+, -, *, /, (, ), square root, xy, ex, ln, log, abs, sin, cos, tan, asin, acos, atan
using floating point decimal numbers. And it has to be "single line" - cannot divide solution
to parts, use variables besides given decimal_number or use any if/else etc logic.

It does not have to be "nice" solution, any "hack" will do as long as it works. For example
"helper" constants (specific to bit position) could be used as additional input to the function.
 
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You may be able to adapt the "keep dividing by 2" method for converting decimal to binary.

To see whether there is an 8 (i.e., ––1–––) divide your integer by 16. If the fractional part is >.5 the 3rd bit is a 1, i.e., a 1 in the 23 column.
 
If this is unsigned integer math, using 32 bit numbers, with no overflow check:

d = decimal number
b = bit number

f(d,b) = (d × 231-b) / (231)
 
rcgldr said:
f(d,b) = (d × 231-b) / (231)

Thats a good way yes, but sadly seems that my "black box" is operating using high precision floating point values :( I think I could still implement what I need if one last obstacle could be overcome:

How to do modulo operation (reminder of division) with toolset that I mentioned?
 
rcgldr said:
f(d,b) = (d × 231-b) / (231)

Puzzle said:
Thats a good way yes, but sadly seems that my "black box" is operating using high precision floating point values.
I missed the part about floating point decimal numbers.

Puzzle said:
How to do modulo operation (reminder of division) with toolset that I mentioned?
I don't see how this could be done without a floor() function. You mentioned decimal point floating numbers, which could mean BCD (binary coded decimal) strings used for "packed decimal" in Cobol. This would be a problem. If the floating point numbers were binary based, and you knew the format and how hardware handled truncation, you could add, then subtract, a large power of 2 to remove the lower bits, but that still leaves upper bits to be cleared.
 
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