SLORWhat is the first derivative of a sinusoidal function?

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The discussion revolves around finding the first derivative of a sinusoidal function representing the height of roller coaster tracks as a function of horizontal distance. The problem involves parameters such as maximum height, amplitude, and wavelength, with specific distances provided for evaluation.

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  • Participants explore the relationship between the sinusoidal function and the physical parameters of the roller coaster, such as amplitude and wavelength. There are attempts to derive the function and its derivative, with questions about the implications of the maximum height and the significance of the given distances. Some participants express confusion about the general form of the sinusoidal equation and the role of constants in the derivative.

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The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations of the sinusoidal model being explored. Some participants have provided partial derivatives and attempted to clarify the relationship between the parameters, while others are seeking further guidance on how to proceed with their calculations.

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Participants note the need to assume certain conditions about the sinusoidal curve, such as the positioning of the troughs and the relationship between the maximum height and amplitude. There is also mention of specific numerical values that may complicate the problem-solving process.

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The height of the tracks of a roller coaster varies sinusoidally with the horizontal distance from its starting point. The roller coaster tracks start from the lowest point of the sinusoidal curve and reach a maximum height of 66 meters. The tracks return to the surface of the park for the first time at 198 meters. What is the slope of the roller coaster track at 132 meters from the starting point?

_________radians

All I can think of is to start with slope

slope is given by the derrivative.

y = sin x for the wave.

Therefore,

y= cos x

Anything beyond that is kinda fuzzy, any help would be appreciated.
 
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Maybe if I throw some more thinking out there..I went this route...

since the max height is 66. the amplitude is 33. the wavelength is 198 =
lamda.

thus the equation for the wave is

y = amplitude sin (x/lamda * 2 pi)

y = 33 sin (x / 198 * 6.28 + 3 pi / 2 ) the 3 pi/2 is the minium point on
a sin curve.

the first derrivative would be :

y' = 33 cos ( x /198 * 6.28 + 3 pi / 2 ) * (6.28/198)

What do I solve for? is y' = 0?
 
music_man05 said:
The height of the tracks of a roller coaster varies sinusoidally with the horizontal distance from its starting point. The roller coaster tracks start from the lowest point of the sinusoidal curve and reach a maximum height of 66 meters. The tracks return to the surface of the park for the first time at 198 meters. What is the slope of the roller coaster track at 132 meters from the starting point?

_________radians

All I can think of is to start with slope

slope is given by the derrivative.

y = sin x for the wave.

Therefore,

y= cos x

Anything beyond that is kinda fuzzy, any help would be appreciated.
Height, y, is proportional to a sinusoidal function of x, not necessarily equal to sinx.

I think you have to assume that the bottom of the 'troughs' of this sine curve are at ground level. So ground level is, in effect, at maximum negative amplitude.

Write the general form of the equation for y (height above ground), which should contain constants for the amplitude (max. vertical distance from the middle of the sine curve), 'wavelength' and 'phase shift' of the sin curve.

How is the 66 metres related to the "amplitude"?

What does the 198 metre distance represent in terms of the 'wavelength'?

That should give you the equation for the track. Just plug in x=132 to determine y.

AM
 
I also have the...

I have the same type of problem, yet I still find myself confused. Are you talking about y=a*sin(b*x-c)+d. Where a, b, c, and d are the constants which modulate the sine curve? In this case my maximum height for the coaster is 70.6666666666667 meters(I'm not joking about the accuracy). So, I thought perhaps using the height for a, then for b I used 2pi divided by the horizontal distance, for c i used pi/2, and for d I used 1. Now if i remember correctly, taking the derivative would mean that constant d is completely arbitrary? Correct me if I'm wrong, I just need to know where do go from here to get the slope...or what I have to undo. Thanks for the help.


p.s. My other given numbers where horizontal distance of coaster =212m, and I'm supposed to find the slope at 141.3333333333337m( I seriously hate randomly generated numbers for problems).
 
music_man05 said:
the first derrivative would be :

y' = 33 cos ( x /198 * 6.28 + 3 pi / 2 ) * (6.28/198)

What do I solve for? is y' = 0?
Use the chain rule to differentiate y = f(g(x)) where [itex]f(x) = Asin(g(x))[/itex] and [itex]g(x) = \frac{2\pi}{\lambda}x + \phi[/itex]
AM
 

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