Snog, Marry, Avoid: Male Makeover in UK Reality Show

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The discussion revolves around the UK reality show "Snog, Marry, Avoid," which features individuals with unconventional fashion choices undergoing makeovers to appear more "normal." Participants often revert to their original styles post-makeover, raising questions about personal expression versus societal acceptance. The conversation highlights varying opinions on flamboyant fashion, with some participants expressing admiration for the confidence of those who dress unconventionally, while others criticize such styles as foolish or attention-seeking. The term "snog" is clarified as meaning "kiss," prompting further exploration of cultural differences in fashion and self-expression. The dialogue touches on deeper themes of conformity, individuality, and the societal pressures surrounding appearance, with some arguing that the desire to dress differently should not be ridiculed, while others maintain that certain styles can be perceived as inappropriate or silly. The conversation reflects a broader debate about identity, acceptance, and the subjective nature of fashion.
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In the UK they have a reality show where they pick real people that dress as freaks and show them what they would look like as normal human beings. It's called snog, marry, avoid.

Here is a link to one of the "make overs". I can't believe this person actually dressed like that. Believe it or not, he did go back to his old ways after his "clean up".

That's a male, btw.

 
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people are strange
You're only now just finding this out? :biggrin:
 
Astronuc said:
You're only now just finding this out? :biggrin:
I lead a sheltered life.
 
Wow.
Wow.
Wow.

Would you snog him?

I didn't think people like this existed. He reminds me of Cyrus.
 
people are strange

I discovered they are more strange than I thought after visiting:
http://mylifeisaverage.com/index.html
 
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Hes quite hot without the makeup. I'd snog him then.
 
What does snog mean?
 
Cyrus said:
What does snog mean?
I think it means kiss. But all the men said they'd snog him...
 
Evo said:
I lead a sheltered life.

Yes, being a moderator in an internet forum is a sheltered existence, if anything. :biggrin:
 
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I think we should consider that outfit for our male mentors though... Just not the makeup.
 
  • #11
I already look like that.
 
  • #12
Ivan Seeking said:
I already look like that.
<perk> Tsu, you holding out on us PF sisters, dear?
 
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Evo said:
I think it means kiss. But all the men said they'd snog him...

He went from dressing as flaming gay, to just pop star gay. That's my fashion opinion. While it was better, it was still very emo.
 
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Cyrus said:
He went from dressing as flaming gay, to just pop star gay. That's my fashion opinion. While it was better, it was still very emo.
I take it his style did not appeal to you. :smile:
 
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The color of the gray and green looked cheap and monochromatic.
 
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Evo said:
In the UK they have a reality show where they pick real people that dress as freaks and show them what they would look like as normal human beings. It's called snog, marry, avoid.

Here is a link to one of the "make overs". I can't believe this person actually dressed like that. Believe it or not, he did go back to his old ways after his "clean up".

That's a male, btw.



you do relize the gov. investigated the posibility of alien humiod life forms assuming alternate lifestyles as a way to blend into society..no joke here/or statement.

 
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http://men.style.com/gq/features/landing?id=content_7758

Is much better, and more mature (see slide show). I think they should have dressed him older in the Youtube clip. He looks like he's about to go sing in a teen band.
 
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  • #18
His handsomeness shows in either style.

While it's interesting to explore alternative fashions, one does best to use a natural look as a foundation. Escaping the real person can limit other opportunities for expression. When we try to reinvent ourselves constantly we can lose the trend to the point of becoming conformist or isolationist (or just boring).
 
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To the OP:

How can you be sure you're not the strange one, and the rest of us are normal?
 
  • #20
AUMathTutor said:
To the OP:

How can you be sure you're not the strange one, and the rest of us are normal?
So, you're claiming to be like the person in the video? :confused:
 
  • #21
Evo said:
people are strange

I'm not.

But then again, I don't qualify as people. :smile:
 
  • #23
Snog just sounds so unpleasant.
 
  • #24
Ah, so snog means kiss. Like when they say "poofter" to mean tourist.
 
  • #25
There is apparently a show now called I Survived a Japanese Game Show.
Considering what I have seen and read about Japanese game shows its probably a pretty crazy show.



Tobias Funke said:
Ah, so snog means kiss. Like when they say "poofter" to mean tourist.

Ummmm.. yeah. Exactly.:rolleyes:
 
  • #26
Evo said:
I think [ snog ] means kiss.
I first heard - and learned - this word 7 days ago - from the Harry Potter flick.
 
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Evo said:
Here is a link to one of the "make overs". I can't believe this person actually dressed like that.
Frankly, I find this far, far more attractive and interesting to look at than the current fashions over here of young men with their baseball caps, hoodies, poop-hanger pants and undies hanging out. It must be hellish to be a young woman trying to find an attractive guy in this day and age.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Frankly, I find this far, far more attractive and interesting to look at than the current fashions over here of young men with their baseball caps, hoodies, poop-hanger pants and undies hanging out. It must be hellish to be a young woman trying to find an attractive guy in this day and age.

Where do you live, the ghetto?
 
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Cyrus said:
He went from dressing as flaming gay, to just pop star gay. That's my fashion opinion. While it was better, it was still very emo.

more than just flaming gay. with the slumping shoulders and a bit of lordosis in the spine, it's a bit like he's trying to emulate a preteen girl.

thing is, he's got such a pretty effeminate face that i think they should have gone with a straight female makeover and achieved an even more dramatic outcome.
 
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Proton Soup said:
more than just flaming gay. with the slumping shoulders and a bit of lordosis in the spine, it's a bit like he's trying to emulate a preteen girl.

thing is, he's got such a pretty effeminate face that i think they should have gone with a straight female makeover and achieved an even more dramatic outcome.

:smile:
 
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DaveC426913 said:
Frankly, I find this far, far more attractive and interesting to look at than the current fashions over here of young men with their baseball caps, hoodies, poop-hanger pants and undies hanging out. It must be hellish to be a young woman trying to find an attractive guy in this day and age.

Around here the big thing for the white kids now are the too tight hip hugger jeans that always look a size too small.
 
  • #32
TheStatutoryApe said:
Around here the big thing for the white kids now are the too tight hip hugger jeans that always look a size too small.

I've seen black kids wearing it too. They're typically between 16 and 20.
 
  • #33
Evo said:
In the UK they have a reality show where they pick real people that dress as freaks and show them what they would look like as normal human beings. It's called snog, marry, avoid.

Here is a link to one of the "make overs". I can't believe this person actually dressed like that. Believe it or not, he did go back to his old ways after his "clean up".

That's a male, btw.




If you think about it. Those people are constanting being stare at, and made a joke to anyone standing next to them. It does take a lot of inner character to dress the way they do. They are very confident people.
 
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  • #34
I find the notion that that guy needed to be "fixed" INCREDIBLY offensive. That guy was a billion times more interesting in the before then the stupid chump he became in the after. "Fitting in" is for the mediocre. Express yourself, the most important humans in existence have been downright weird by mundane standard. If a polo shirt and khaki's seem like home to you then wear the **** out of it, if they don't and someone tries to make you feel bad about yourself because you're not wearing what doesn't speak to you then give them a firm punch in the face. They'll think twice before doing that again. It never ceases to amaze me how people can make these simple minded judgements. What empirical or scientific basis do you have to say that guy's life was improved by dressing like a douche. There are noteworthy people who set the fashion of the time, those who oppose it, those who don't give a damn and those who just fall in line. Which one are you?
 
  • #35
Ultimately, to me, this smells of just another attempt of the old to trivialize the young. A useless endeavour at best. (a disasterous one at the worst)
 
  • #36
vectorcube said:
If you think about it. Those people are constanting being stare at, and made a joke to anyone standing next to them. It does take a lot of inner character to dress the way they do. They are very confident people.
Wellll...

that's what they would have you believe, yes.

A lot of people (dare I say most) who dress flamboyantly do so to hide their inner insecurities. The rationale is: I don't want you to stare at the real me, so I will put on a garish suit of armour. Now you are not staring at me, you're staring at my mask. I can live with that because I am in control of it.
 
  • #37
DaveC426913 said:
Wellll...

that's what they would have you believe, yes.

A lot of people (dare I say most) who dress flamboyantly do so to hide their inner insecurities. The rationale is: I don't want you to stare at the real me, so I will put on a garish suit of armour. Now you are not staring at me, you're staring at my mask. I can live with that because I am in control of it.



Makes a lot of sense.
 
  • #38
If he truly likes dressing that way and arrived at that style because it suits him (and not because he saw this ), then I agree with you maverick. But all too often people dress in "shocking" ways to try to make a statement. But making a statement with actions or words takes effort, and doing it with clothes is easy, yet ineffective against all but the old and monocled.

It's like, "Hey, your fascination with what people are wearing is stupid. Clothes don't matter...now look at my wacky clothes! I'm original. Please tell me I'm original".
 
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Tobias Funke said:
If he truly likes dressing that way and arrived at that style because it suits him (and not because he saw this ), then I agree with you maverick. But all too often people dress in "shocking" ways to try to make a statement. But making a statement with actions or words takes effort, and doing it with clothes is easy, yet ineffective against all but the old and monocled.

It's like, "Hey, your fascination with what people are wearing is stupid. Clothes don't matter...now look at my wacky clothes! I'm original. Please tell me I'm original".


And people who dress without any flair aren't trying to make a statement? I've never understood why people value normalcy so much.
 
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  • #40
Evo said:
people are strange

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awi14wDTxNw
 
  • #41
George Jones said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awi14wDTxNw

Ya, I know. that's the first thing I thought when I saw the thread title :). Jim Morrison, dressed pretty funky (for the 60's).
 
  • #42
maverick_starstrider said:
And people who dress without any flair aren't trying to make a statement?

Whether they are or aren't, part of my point is that if you have to rely on clothes to make your statements for you, then that says something about you. I know nothing about the guy in the video so I can't comment on him specifically, but if you think that everyone who dresses differently does so because it's their style then I'd have to disagree.

People, or at least me, aren't making fun of guy's clothes as much as the good possibility that he's only wearing them to be different.

For the record, I don't like "normal" dress either in most situations. My principal told me I need to dress "above the students" because my clothes consist of button down shirts with sleeves rolled up, slacks, and basketball sneakers. Apparently a tie and nice (ie uncomfortable) shoes will allow me to take my place above the lowly student peasants.
 
  • #43
Tobias Funke said:
Whether they are or aren't, part of my point is that if you have to rely on clothes to make your statements for you, then that says something about you. I know nothing about the guy in the video so I can't comment on him specifically, but if you think that everyone who dresses differently does so because it's their style then I'd have to disagree.

People, or at least me, aren't making fun of guy's clothes as much as the good possibility that he's only wearing them to be different.

For the record, I don't like "normal" dress either in most situations. My principal told me I need to dress "above the students" because my clothes consist of button down shirts with sleeves rolled up, slacks, and basketball sneakers. Apparently a tie and nice (ie uncomfortable) shoes will allow me to take my place above the lowly student peasants.


Yes but is the desire to be different (even in an, ironically, normal and predictable way) a negative trait worthy of ridicule? It is human nature to try and clamp down on those who seek to deviate and a lot of people think this kind of flippant ostricizing of the abnormal, whether it be wild fashions, unusual habits, "nerdiness", independent thinking, etc. is innocent. However, I tend to see it as anything but innocent. The status quo depends on non-boat rockers but CHANGE depends on deviation. So if, anything, IMHO one could lambast this guy for a LAME attempt at deviation, not the desire to deviate. Failed independent thinking is far more virtuous then no attempt at all. Whether it is motivated by insecurity is entirely irrelevant. The desire to conform is equally driven by insecurity, and any "great" person who has had a profound effect on the world was driven by insecurity of one form of the other; selfish chip on your shoulder, desire to show up others, revenge, etc. That stuffs is the fuel of a different future.
 
  • #44
maverick_starstrider said:
Yes but is the desire to be different (even in an, ironically, normal and predictable way) a negative trait worthy of ridicule?

When I was 12 or 13, I watched a skate video and a skater was talking about all their different styles. One was the hippie, one was the grunge skater, one was the guy with his hair styled like horns, etc. So I decided that my style would be to wear mismatched socks when skating. I quickly realized that this was silly not because it was different, but because it was a conscious attempt to be different in a meaningless way.

But anyway, I don't want to make a whole big thing out of this because I mostly agree with you. I do think it's stupid to ridicule people for dressing differently, but I also think that most people who dress that way never got past their superficial mismatched sock phase. I mean, there's independent thinking, and then there's bathing in fake tan spray. Neither deserves ridicule, but I think there's a difference.
 
  • #45
Tobias Funke said:
When I was 12 or 13, I watched a skate video and a skater was talking about all their different styles. One was the hippie, one was the grunge skater, one was the guy with his hair styled like horns, etc. So I decided that my style would be to wear mismatched socks when skating. I quickly realized that this was silly not because it was different, but because it was a conscious attempt to be different in a meaningless way.

But anyway, I don't want to make a whole big thing out of this because I mostly agree with you. I do think it's stupid to ridicule people for dressing differently, but I also think that most people who dress that way never got past their superficial mismatched sock phase. I mean, there's independent thinking, and then there's bathing in fake tan spray. Neither deserves ridicule, but I think there's a difference.

I'll agree to agree to that.
 
  • #46
maverick_starstrider said:
Ultimately, to me, this smells of just another attempt of the old to trivialize the young. A useless endeavour at best. (a disasterous one at the worst)

eh? that guy loved being the center of attention. in fact, it's not the first time I've seen him.
 
  • #47
maverick_starstrider said:
There are noteworthy people who set the fashion of the time, those who oppose it, those who don't give a damn and those who just fall in line. Which one are you?

:smile: What a cliche rant against "the establishment". It sounds like a really bad advertisement.It's like people who buy apple computers to be "different" and not follow the crowd, when in reality they are all the same and follow each other "not following main stream".
 
  • #48
See the derision of Proton Soup and Cyrus is exactly my point. It is clearly originating from the thought that you think they think they're better than you. So you clamp down on it and ridicule it (How dare they with there stupid clothes, freaks!). To me this attitude is justs loosely veiled philistinism and only a hop skip and a jump away from the sort of "get the queer" mob mentality you still see kicking around. Or the idiotic notion that someone has a "problem" with their gender identity (it's you who has the problem, not them).
 
  • #49
Hey, it's a free society: you can dress however you like. But I can also label him as looking like a damn fool (which he does look like).

There is a time and a place to dress like that. Every day in public is not one.
 
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*waves lighter in the air*. Rock on little orange, pink hot pants dude.

Cyrus said:
Hey, it's a free society: you can dress however you like. But I can also label him as looking like a damn fool (which he does look like).

There is a time and a place to dress like that. Every day in public is not one.

What would be your prescribed dress code for daily wear herr fuhrer?
 
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