Solenoid & Lenz's Law: Choosing Option B

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The discussion centers on the application of Lenz's Law to determine the direction of induced electromotive force (emf) when a magnet moves through a solenoid. The initial argument suggests that both the South and North poles of the magnet produce upward flux, leading to the assumption that induced currents would be in the same direction. However, it is clarified that while the South pole entering the solenoid induces a downward current due to increasing flux, the North pole leaving induces an upward current due to decreasing flux. This contradiction in current direction is crucial for understanding the effects of motion on induced emf. Ultimately, the key takeaway is that the direction of induced currents differs based on whether the South or North pole is interacting with the solenoid.
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I know that the answer will not be a or c due to effects of gravity. But I can't decide between b and d. I chose b because of lenzs law.
I thought that since the south pole enter first, there will be an increasing flux upwards, coil opposes this by inducing an magnetic flux downwards. When it leaves, the north pole will cause and decreasing flux downwards, coil will then oppose this by inducing a magnetic flux downwards. Since both induced magnetic flux are downwards, the direction of induced emf will be the same. Am I correct??:confused:
 
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jinhuit95 said:
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I know that the answer will not be a or c due to effects of gravity. But I can't decide between b and d. I chose b because of lenzs law.
I thought that since the south pole enter first, there will be an increasing flux upwards, coil opposes this by inducing an magnetic flux downwards. When it leaves, the north pole will cause and decreasing flux downwards, coil will then oppose this by inducing a magnetic flux downwards. Since both induced magnetic flux are downwards, the direction of induced emf will be the same. Am I correct??:confused:

Close but no cigar.

The South pole has upward flux [ie into magnet] - as you say - and the North pole also has upward flux [ie out of magnet] .

That means the current produced as the magnet falls out of the loop is in the opposite direction to the current as it falls in.

So now you have to work out which of the two options is correct.
 


Why are the direction of the currents different??
 
jinhuit95 said:
Why are the direction of the currents different??

Your arguments were good except that the North pole leaving means a decreasing upward flux.

Upward, because the flux from the North end is upward, decreasing because the magnet is coming out of the solenoid.
 


With respect to the north pole there will be an induced upwards flux right by lenzs law right? Since both induced flux are in the same direction, wouldn't the currents be in the same direction??
 
jinhuit95 said:
With respect to the north pole there will be an induced upwards flux right by lenzs law right? Since both induced flux are in the same direction, wouldn't the currents be in the same direction??

NO.

The real flux is in the same direction. Draw a vertical Bar magnet with the South Pole at the bottom.
The flux goes into the South Pole [ie up.]
The flux comes out of the North Pole [again up]

So the real fields are in the same direction - so it all comes down to motion.

The South pole approaches the solenoid, so at that time the imposed flux density is increasing - inducing a certain current.
Later, the North pole is leaving the solenoid, so at that time the imposed flux density is reducing - inducing a current in the opposite direction.
 
jinhuit95 said:
With respect to the north pole there will be an induced upwards flux right by lenzs law right? Since both induced flux are in the same direction, wouldn't the currents be in the same direction??

It is 2:22 am here - I am off to bed.
 
jinhuit95 said:
With respect to the north pole there will be an induced upwards flux right by lenzs law right? Since both induced flux are in the same direction, wouldn't the currents be in the same direction??

Yes there will be an induced upward flux while the North pole is leaving, but there will be an induced downward flux when the South pole approaches.
That is why it is opposite.
The South Pole imposes an upward flux, so a downward flux is induced.
The North Pole takes away an upward flux, so an upward flux is induced.
 
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