Solve Node Analysis Problem with Ideal Opamp

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The discussion revolves around a node analysis problem involving an ideal operational amplifier (opamp) circuit. Participants are attempting to derive and correct equations related to the circuit's nodes, specifically focusing on the relationships between input voltage, output voltage, and the components involved.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • The original poster presents three equations for node voltages v1 and v2, expressing uncertainty about their correctness.
  • Some participants assert that the first equation is incorrect and provide an alternative formulation, emphasizing the ideal nature of the opamp and the concept of a virtual short circuit.
  • There is a correction regarding the use of R2 instead of R3 in the equations, with some participants agreeing on the need for this adjustment.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the corrections and indicates a willingness to revisit the problem with the new equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the initial equations presented by the original poster, as multiple corrections and alternative formulations are proposed. The discussion reflects ongoing uncertainty and refinement of the equations.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved issues regarding the accuracy of the initial equations and the specific components referenced, which depend on the definitions and assumptions made about the circuit configuration.

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Hi, I was searching google for answers about my problem and stumbled upon this forum. So I'll post my problem here and hope that some friendly soul can help me :)

I need to do a node-analysis of the circuit that I've attached here. The opamp is ideal so Ri=inf and R0=0 and A=inf. I end up with 3 equations for the nodes v1,v2:
eq1: (1/(1/jwC1)+1/R1)v1 = Uin/(1/jwC1)
eq2: (1/R3 + 1/(1/jwC2))v2 = Av1/R3
eq3: Uout=Av2

I am pretty sure I've done wrong in the node analysis, but I am unable to find out what I've done wrong (or right ;)). The equations I get later by solving the equationsystems doesn't add up. Any input or help on this problem is greatly appreciated!
 

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You did it wrong. Equation 1 should be:
[tex]U_{in}\dot(j\omega C_1 + \frac{1}{R_1}) = V_1\dot\frac{1}{R_1})[/tex]
or, in simpler form:
[tex]V_1 = U_in\dot\frac{R_1}{R_1+\frac{1}{j\omegaC_1}[/tex]
Since the amplifier is ideal, there is a virtual short circuit between the + and - terminals and the output voltage is [tex]V_1[/tex]
Then equation 2 will be:
[tex]V_2 = V_1\dot\frac{\frac{1}{j\omegaC_2}}{R_2+\frac{1}{j\omegaC_2}[/tex]
and
[tex]U_{out} = V_2[/tex]
 
You did it wrong. Equation 1 should be:
[tex]U_{in}\dot(j\omega C_1 + \frac{1}{R_1}) = V_1\dot\frac{1}{R_1}[/tex]
or, in simpler form:
[tex]V_1 = U_in\dot\frac{R_1}{R_1+\frac{1}{j\omegaC_1}}[/tex]
Since the amplifier is ideal, there is a virtual short circuit between the + and - terminals and the output voltage is [tex]V_1[/tex]
Then equation 2 will be:
[tex]V_2 = V_1\dot\frac{\frac{1}{j\omegaC_2}}{R_2+\frac{1}{j\omegaC_2}}[/tex]
and
[tex]U_{out} = V_2[/tex]

Reposted because I was not able to edit
 
Still unable to write correctly the equations in LaTex I will write it in normal text.
Eq.1: V1 = Uin [R1/(R1+1/jwC1)]
Eq.2: V2 = V1 [(1/jwC2)/(R2+1/jwC2)]
 
Shouldnt it be R3 instead of R2 in your equations?
 
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svenneman said:
Shouldnt it be R3 instead of R2 in your equations?
Yes, my mistake.
 
oky, then it makes more sense :P

thanks for the help, I'll sit down with the new equations and see if I can get a result out of it :)
 

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