Solve Pin Jointed Frame Q1: Evaluate Reactions, Calculate Forces

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The discussion revolves around solving a problem related to a pin jointed frame in mechanics. Participants are focused on evaluating reaction forces at supports and calculating the forces in various members of the frame. The conversation includes attempts to apply equilibrium equations and methods of joints, as well as clarifying the approach to finding moments and forces.

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  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how to approach the problem, specifically regarding the calculation of moments at support D.
  • Another participant suggests using the standard three equilibrium equations to find reaction forces and emphasizes the need for an initial attempt at a solution.
  • A participant acknowledges the need to find the moment at D and mentions confusion about which numbers to use in the calculation.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the identification of unknown support reactions, including the vertical reaction at support A.
  • One participant shares their calculations for the reactions, stating they found FAy = 10 and FDy = 5, but questions whether they have missed anything.
  • Another participant points out the importance of specifying the direction of forces and notes that FDy = -5 indicates a specific direction for that force.
  • Participants discuss the importance of correctly identifying the directions of forces and the implications of positive and negative signs in their calculations.

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Participants generally agree on the methods to be used for solving the problem, but there is no consensus on the correctness of the calculations or the interpretation of the results, particularly regarding the direction of forces.

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There are unresolved aspects related to the assumptions made in the calculations, particularly concerning the directions of forces and the application of equilibrium equations. The discussion reflects a step-by-step approach to problem-solving without reaching a definitive conclusion.

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Hey Guys, I've got a pretty simple (I think) pin joint frame question. I am pretty weak in this area of mechanics so if someone could advise me on how to go about doing this question i would really appreciate it.

The Figure Q1 (The Attatchment) shows a pin jointed frame.

The frame is supported

• At A by a roller joint and
• At D by a pin joint.
• AD = CD = 1m and BC = 2m.

a) Evaluate the reactions at A and D, i.e. the forces exerted on the frame by the supports.

b) Calculate the forces carried by the following members, indicating if they are in tension or compression.

i) AB
ii) BC
iii) AC
 

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Hello gaisjc and welcome to PF.

You must first calculate the reaction forces using the standard 3 equilibrium equations. Note that the roller support by definition must just have a vertical reaction. Then you can use the method of joints to solve for the member forces. You must show some attempt at a solution before we can be of further assistance, however weak that attempt may be..
 
Oops, my appologies. I haven't attempted a solution because I honastly don't know what to do. I realize I have to fine the moment at D using \SigmaMD=0 and use that to find Dx and Dy, then use the method of joints to solve for the member forces, but as to what numbers I use to find the moment at D, that's what confuses me.
 
qaisjc said:
Oops, my appologies. I haven't attempted a solution because I honastly don't know what to do. I realize I have to fine the moment at D using \SigmaMD=0 and use that to find Dx and Dy, then use the method of joints to solve for the member forces, but as to what numbers I use to find the moment at D, that's what confuses me.
Summing moments about D is a good idea, but first you should identify all unknown support reactions. You've already noted Dx and Dy. What about Ay?(As I noted earlier, there can be no Ax, just an Ay at support A). Now sum moments due to the applied force, and due to Ay, about D ,to solve for Ay. The member lengths are given. Note that the moment of a force about a point is the product of the force times the perpendicular distance from the line of action of that force to that point.
 
I really appreciate your help PhanthomJay. Ok, so this is what I've got so far;

\SigmaMDz=0, therefore (FAyx1)-(5x2)=0
therefore FAy=10

\SigmaFy=0, therefore FDy+10-5=0
therefore FDy=5

\SigmaFx=0 therefore FDx=0

Right? Or have I missed something?
 
qaisjc said:
I really appreciate your help PhanthomJay. Ok, so this is what I've got so far;

\SigmaMDz=0, therefore (FAyx1)-(5x2)=0
therefore FAy=10
Yes, but you must specify in which direction (up or down) that force acts on the frame.
\SigmaFy=0, therefore FDy+10-5=0
therefore FDy=5
well, actually, that works out to F_Dy = -5. What does that minus sign mean in regard to the direction of F_Dy?
\SigmaFx=0 therefore FDx=0
yes, correct.
Right? Or have I missed something?
Looks Ok, as long as you have your directions correct. Please watch your plus and minus signs. Once you're clear on the directions (up or down) that the vertical reaction forces exert on the frame, you can move onto the member force calculations.
 

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