Solve the Ball Collision Problem: Angle α and Friction!

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To solve the ball collision problem, the angle α must be determined based on the height (h) and distance (d) using the equation tan(α) = h/d. When considering air friction, which affects the thrown ball more due to its initial velocity, the required angle for collision may need to be adjusted. The discussion suggests that the angle for the thrown ball should be greater than α to account for the deceleration caused by friction. Additionally, both gravitational force and air friction impact the motion of both balls, complicating the prediction of their collision. Understanding these dynamics is essential for accurately determining the necessary angle for collision.
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Two identical small balls are shown in picture above. A ball is thrown from the ground and another ball is dropped without any initial velocity.
First, consider no air friction. In order to make the balls collide each other, the ball on ground has to make an angle α from the ground, where tan(α)=h/d.
Then consider a more real case, there's air friction which is proportional to ball's velocity, F=-kv. In order to make the balls collide, determine whether angle of the ball has to be greater than α, less than α, or equals to α!

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Homework Equations



Ffriction = -kv
Fgravity = mg

The Attempt at a Solution



I think it has to be greater than α, is it correct?
 
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F = -kv affects which ball the most at t = 0?
 
The thrown ball, because it has initial velocity, and the other ball doesn't.
How's my answer?
 
Copycat91 said:
The thrown ball, because it has initial velocity, and the other ball doesn't.
How's my answer?

Consider both of the components of the velocity at the angle α then of the projectile. If the frictional retarding forces are slowing the projectile in both x,y what will happen if α is left the same? Will it undershoot or over shoot?
 
Can we consider the initial condition only?
There's also gravitational force and air friction on both balls.
It's hard to imagine...
 
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