SOLVED: Equipotential surfaces for finite line of charge

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The discussion revolves around calculating the potential due to a uniformly charged finite line of charge, specifically focusing on the relationship between points on an ellipse formed by the ends of the charge distribution. The original poster seeks to verify if the entire ellipse is an equipotential surface by evaluating the potential at specific points related to the ellipse.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss integrating the potential from a charge element along the line of charge and explore the implications of the ellipse's geometry on the potential. There are attempts to simplify the potential expression and questions about how to eliminate variables to show independence from specific coordinates.

Discussion Status

Some participants have made progress in deriving expressions for the potential and are exploring specific cases to validate their findings. There is an ongoing exploration of symmetry in the problem, and while some have expressed confidence in their results, no consensus has been reached on the final form of the potential.

Contextual Notes

Participants are working under the constraints of the problem as presented in Purcell's textbook, with specific focus on the mathematical relationships defined by the ellipse equation. The discussion reflects the challenges of integrating over the charge distribution and the assumptions regarding the symmetry of the problem.

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Homework Statement


Purcell 2.10 [/B][not the problem I'm asking about, but needed for Purcell 2.11 which I am asking about]
A thin rod extends along the z axis from z = -d to z = d. The rod carries a charge uniformly distributed along its length with linear charge density \lambda. By integrating over this charge distribution calculate the potential at a point P_1 on the z axis with coordinates 0,0,2d. By another integration find the potential at a point P_2 on the x axis and locate this point to make the potential equal to the potential at P_1

Purcell 2.11 [the problem I'm asking about]
The points P_1 and P_2 in the preceding problem happen to lie on an ellipse which has the ends of the rod as its foci, as you can readily verify by comparing the sums of the distances from P_1 and from P_2 to the ends of the rod. This suggests that the whole ellipse might be an equipotential. Test that conjectire by calculating the potential at the point (3d/2, 0, d) which lies on the same ellipse. Indeed it is true, though there is no obvious reason why it should be, that the equipotential surfaces of this system are a family of confocal prolate spheroids. See if you can prove that. You will have to derive a formula for the potential at a general point (x,0,z) in the xz plane. Then show that, if x and z are related by the equation
<br /> \frac{x^2}{a^2 - d^2} + \frac{z^2}{a^2} = 1,<br />
which is the equation for an ellipse with foci at z = \pm d, the potential will depend only on the parameter a, not on x or z.

Homework Equations


Setting our zero of potential at infinity, the potential of a point charge q at a point a distance r away is
<br /> \varphi = \frac{q}{r}.<br />
Note we're using cgs units, not SI units.

The equation of an ellipse with foci z = \pm d and semimajor axis a along the z axis and semiminor axis a^2 - d^2 along the x axis in the xz plane
<br /> \frac{x^2}{a^2 - d^2} + \frac{z^2}{a^2} = 1.<br />

The Attempt at a Solution


Consider a small charge element dq of length dz&#039; of the rod, at position z&#039; on the z axis. Treating this small charge element as a point charge, the infinitesimal potential at (x,0,z) due to this charge element is
<br /> d\varphi(x,0,z) = \dfrac{dq}{\sqrt{x^2 + (z - z&#039;)^2}} = \dfrac{\lambda\,dz&#039;}{\sqrt{x^2 + (z-z&#039;)^2}}.<br />
Integrating along the entire rod from z = -d to z = +d. we find the potential to be given by the integral
<br /> \varphi(x,0,z) = \int_{-d}^d \frac{\lambda\,dz&#039;}{\sqrt{x^2 + (z-z&#039;)^2}}<br />

If we make the trig substitution z - z&#039; = x\tan{\theta}, we get -dz&#039; = x\sec^2{\theta}\,d\theta and our integral becomes
<br /> \begin{align*}<br /> \varphi(x,0,z)<br /> &amp; = \int_{\theta_1}^{\theta_2} \frac{-\lambda\, x\sec^2{\theta}\,d\theta}{\sqrt{x^2(1 + \tan^2{\theta})}} \\<br /> &amp; = \int_{\theta_2}^{\theta_1} \frac{\lambda\, x\sec^2{\theta}\,d\theta}{\sqrt{x^2 \sec^2{\theta}}} \\<br /> &amp; = \int_{\theta_2}^{\theta_1} \lambda\,\sec{\theta}\,d\theta \\<br /> &amp; = \lambda\, \text{ln}\Big[<br /> \frac{\sec{\theta_1} + \tan{\theta_1}}{\sec{\theta_2} + \tan{\theta_2}}<br /> \Big],<br /> \end{align*}<br />
where z - d = x\tan{\theta_2} and z + d = x\tan{\theta_1}, so that
<br /> \begin{align*}<br /> \sec{\theta_1} &amp; = \frac{\sqrt{x^2 + (z + d)^2}}{x} \\<br /> \sec{\theta_2} &amp; = \frac{\sqrt{x^2 + (z-d)^2}}{x}.<br /> \end{align*}<br />
Then our integral becomes
<br /> \begin{align*}<br /> \varphi(x,0,z)<br /> &amp; =<br /> \lambda\, \text{ln}\Big[<br /> \frac{\frac{1}{x} \sqrt{x^2 + (z+d)^2} + \frac{1}{x}(z+d)}<br /> {\frac{1}{x} \sqrt{x^2 + (z-d)^2} + \frac{1}{x}(z-d)}<br /> \Big] \\<br /> &amp; =<br /> \lambda\, \text{ln}\Big[<br /> \frac{z + d + \sqrt{x^2 + (z+d)^2}}<br /> {z - d + \sqrt{x^2 + (z-d)^2}}<br /> \Big].<br /> \end{align*}<br />

Now from the ellipse equation we have
<br /> x^2 = (a^2 - d^2) \Big(1 - \frac{z^2}{a^2}\Big),<br />
and we thus find
<br /> \begin{align*}<br /> x^2 + (z \pm d)^2 &amp; =<br /> (a^2 - d^2)\Big(1 - \frac{z^2}{a^2}\Big) + (z \pm d)^2 \\<br /> &amp; = \Big(a^2 - d^2 - z^2 + \frac{d^2}{a^2}z^2\Big) + (z^2 \pm 2d z + d^2) \\<br /> &amp; = a^2 + \frac{d^2}{a^2}z^2 \pm 2d z \\<br /> &amp; = \frac{1}{a^2}\Big(d^2 z^2 \pm 2 a^2 d z + a^4\Big) \\<br /> &amp; = \frac{1}{a^2}(d z \pm a^2)^2<br /> \end{align*}<br />
Thus we find
<br /> \sqrt{x^2 + (z \pm d)^2} = \frac{1}{a} \lvert d z \pm a^2\rvert<br />
so that our expression for the potential at point (x,0,z) becomes
<br /> \begin{align*}<br /> \varphi(x,0,z)<br /> &amp; = \text{ln}\Big[<br /> \frac{z + d + \lvert dz + a^2\rvert/a}{z - d + \lvert dz - a^2\rvert/a}<br /> \Big] \\<br /> &amp; = \text{ln}\Big[<br /> \frac{a z + a d + \lvert dz + a^2\rvert}{a z - a d + \lvert dz - a^2\rvert}<br /> \Big]<br /> \end{align*}<br />
Now I'm lost as to how to get rid of the z term so that
<br /> \varphi(x,0,z) = F(a,d)<br />
for some function F independent of x,z, as the problem requests us to find.
 
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Let's just for the minute assume x &gt; 0 also.
 
I think I figured it out now. Always seems to happen right after I type up the whole problem here!
 
By the symmetry of the problem sign of x,z doesn't matter, so I'll just take both positive. Then \lvert dz - a^2\vert = a^2 - dz and \lvert dz + a^2\rvert = dz + a^2, so the expression for the potential becomes
<br /> \begin{align*}<br /> \varphi(x,0,z)<br /> &amp; =<br /> \lambda\,\text{ln}\Big[<br /> \frac{az + ad + a^2 + dz}{az - ad + a^2 - dz}<br /> \Big] \\<br /> &amp; =<br /> \lambda\,\text{ln}\Big[<br /> \frac{a(z + a) + d(z+a)}{a(z+a) - d(z+a)}<br /> \Big] \\<br /> &amp; = \lambda\,\text{ln}\Big[\frac{a+d}{a-d}\Big].<br /> \end{align*}<br />

Now I just have to check the separate cases x = 0, z = a and x = \sqrt{a^2 - d^2}, z = 0.
 
This was a cool problem. Man I love Purcell.
 

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