Solving 2D Collisions: Find the Velocity of Eight Ball After Impact

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The discussion centers on calculating the velocity of the eight ball after a collision with a cue ball in a billiards game. The cue ball, weighing 0.165 kg, strikes the stationary eight ball (0.155 kg) at 6.2 m/s and moves away at 3.7 m/s at a 40-degree angle. The correct approach to solve for the eight ball's velocity involves using conservation of momentum equations along both the x and y axes, leading to a final velocity of 4.4 m/s at a 35.2-degree angle. The confusion arises from the interpretation of the coordinate system and the application of trigonometric functions in the momentum equations.

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Homework Statement


In a game of billiards the 0.165 kg cue ball is hit toward the 0.155 kg eight ball which is stationary. The cue ball travels at a speed of 6.2 m/s and after impact rolls away at an angle of 40.0 degrees counterclockwise from its initial direction with a velocity of 3.7 m/s. Find the velocity of the eight ball after the collision.


Homework Equations


m1v1 + m2v2 = m1vf1 + m2vf2


The Attempt at a Solution


I cut the coordinate system up into the x y and z axis. In the y axis, there is no movement, as the ball stays on the table. So, we have x and z to work with. I drew a Cartesian graph with the axis 'X' and 'Y' where 'Y' represents 'Z'. I will also interpret the cue ball being shot up the Y axis into the eight ball, instead of being shot horizontally.

So I cut the motion up like this, in the y-axis vectors:
0.165kg * 6.2 m/s + 0 = 0.155kgVf + 0.165kg*3.7m/s*sin40
Vfy = 4.4 m/s [up]

x vectors:
0 = 0.155kgVf + 0.165kg*3.7m/s * cos40
Vfyx = -3.0m/s

Now, I add the vectors using Pythagorean theorem and my result is 5.3 m/s [W 55 degrees N] or 5.3 m/s [35 degrees clockwise].

However, the book gives me the answer of 4.4 m/s [35.2 degrees clockwise].

This is the part that confused me, why is the book not taking the X forces into account? Its just using the answer I got in the Y coordinate system. This is confusing, because my teacher did the same thing in school and answered with "there is no movement in the Y axis".

The problem is that there are three dimensions: X,Y,Z and Y is set to 0, but we still have movement in the Z axis (which I represented as Y in this answer).

So I have no idea why its done like this, and am very confused. Did the book make a mistake, or am I wrong?
 
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Pay attention... when you compute what you call ##V_f##, you have to consider that also the second ball goes away with an angle... therefore the correct equations should be

Along y:
$$ m_c V_{0c}=m_c V_{fc}\cos(40)+m_8 V_f\cos\theta $$
Along x:
$$ 0=m_c V_{fc}\sin(40)-m_8 V_f\sin\theta $$

Now solve for $V_f$ and if you want also for ##\theta##. In this way indeed $V_f$ comes 4.4 =)
 
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mmmh... sorry I noticed something just now... your way is also correct because, even if you would have better to call in different ways ##V_f## in the equations in the two directions, it is the same thing (you are leaving implicit the ##\sin\theta## and ##\cos\theta## I am writing explicitely).

The problem is in the definitions... along your Y you have to put the ##\cos## (measuring the angles leaving from the Y axis) while along X you put ##\sin##. In this way it works...
 

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