Solving 2D Motion Revision Homework on Pitching Speed

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The problem involves determining the pitching speed of a baseball thrown horizontally from a height of 3.00 m, with the ball landing 30.0 m away. Additionally, there is uncertainty regarding the exact horizontal angle of the throw, which varies between 5° below and 5° above horizontal, prompting a need to calculate a range of possible speeds.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the initial approach of isolating time based on horizontal distance and vertical motion equations. There is mention of the complexity involved in solving the resulting equations and a suggestion to simplify the process by substituting time from the x-equation into the y-equation.

Discussion Status

Some participants express challenges with the algebraic manipulation required to isolate the pitching speed. There is a recognition of the need to clarify the equations used for vertical motion, with one participant pointing out potential inaccuracies in the original equations presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the implications of varying angles of throw on the calculations, and there is a focus on ensuring the equations reflect the correct physical setup. The discussion reflects a mix of completed attempts and ongoing uncertainties regarding the mathematical approach.

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Homework Statement


A baseball player friend of yours wants to determine his pitching speed. You have him stand on a ledge and throw the ball horizontally from an elevation 3.00 m above the ground. The ball lands 30.0 m away.

A) What is his pitching speed?

B) As you think about it, you’re not sure he threw the ball exactly horizontally. As you watch him throw, the pitches seem to vary from 5° below horizontal to 5 degrees above horizontal. What is the range of speeds with which the ball might have left his hand?

Homework Equations



d = vi*t + (1/2)a*t2
Trig

The Attempt at a Solution



Problem A was completed without issue. But I'm having trouble working the possible angles into the answer.

I know that vx = vcos(5) and vy = +/- vsin(5)

I tried to isolate time, given that the horizontal distance was traveled in the same time it took the ball to hit the ground (obviously...).

vx = vcos(5) = .99v
vy = -vsin(5) = .08v

dx = vcos(5)t
30 = vcos(5)t
t = 30/(vcos(5))


3 = -vsin(5) - (1/2)(9.8)(t^2)
t = sqrt((-vsin(5) - 3)/4.9)

Now I would usually set the equations equal to each other at this point, but the result system seems too messy to be done by hand, so I feel like I'm missing a much easier solution.

Is my only option to try to find the intercept for the equations? And if the ball was thrown upwards, my equations would be the same except for the negative in from of the sin portion, correct?
 
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The traditional procedure for dealing with this sort of thing is to solve the x-equation for t and replace t in the y-equation. The algebra is much more tractable.
 
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That doesn't exactly make the math any easier.

3 = -vsin(5) - (1/2)(9.8)(302/v2cos2(5))

That doesn't exactly make the isolation of v any easier...
 
The equation that you have for v doesn't look right. The y equations should be

0 = 3 + v*t*sin5o-0.5*9.8*t2

0 = 3 - v*t*sin5o-0.5*9.8*t2

Either of these equations says that at t=0 the ball is at y=3 m.
 

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