Solving a Nodal Analysis: Find Va(t)

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The discussion centers on solving for Va(t) using nodal analysis, with participants verifying the correctness of nodal equations and impedance calculations. The impedance values for the circuit components are discussed, including the negative impedance of capacitors due to their mathematical representation. There is confusion regarding the calculated value of Va, with participants sharing different results and suggesting the use of symbolic variables to simplify the calculations. A potential error in the handling of complex constants in equations is highlighted, emphasizing the importance of proper notation. Ultimately, the correct value of Va is confirmed to be approximately 1.89293 - 12.2816i.
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Homework Statement


Find Va(t) using Nodal Analysis:
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Homework Equations


Zc = 1/(jwC)
Zl = jw*L

The Attempt at a Solution


W = 250
Z36mH = j9 ohm
Z80mH = j20 ohm
Z0.25mF = -j16 ohm (is capacitor impedance always negative? It says so in my instructor's notes but I forgot why)

20cos(250t) -> 20 <0° V
1.2cos(250t+45°) -> 1.2<45° A

Are the following Nodal equations correct? Is Node1 simply Va?
Node1:
\frac{Node1-20&lt;0}{8+9j} + \frac{Node1}{-j16}=0

Node2:
-1.2&lt;45° + \frac{Node2-4Va}{j20}=0
 
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Node1 and Node2 are just one node. Nodes are not defined by black dots. Those two dots are connected by a wire of perfect conductivity and the voltages at the two dots are the same, so they are really only one node.
 
The Electrician said:
Node1 and Node2 are just one node. Nodes are not defined by black dots. Those two dots are connected by a wire of perfect conductivity and the voltages at the two dots are the same, so they are really only one node.
I assume Va is the voltage across the Capacitor?
 
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That looks OK; now all you have to do is solve for Va.

By the way, the reason that capacitor impedance is negative is because 1/j = -j
 
The Electrician said:
That looks OK; now all you have to do is solve for Va.

By the way, the reason that capacitor impedance is negative is because 1/j = -j
Of course. I feel like an idiot now.
 
The Electrician said:
That looks OK; now all you have to do is solve for Va.

By the way, the reason that capacitor impedance is negative is because 1/j = -j
I ended up getting
Va = 4528.6 - 911.4i
Is that correct?
 
No, I don't get that. As a sanity check, for Va to be 4000 volts plus seems a little high to me.

What happened to your equation in post #3?

If you'll show your work, we can probably find your error.
 
The Electrician said:
No, I don't get that. As a sanity check, for Va to be 4000 volts plus seems a little high to me.

What happened to your equation in post #3?

If you'll show your work, we can probably find your error.
Don't know what happened to it

I plugged the equation into MyAlgebra.com and it spit out the answer. Here is the equation again:
\frac{Va-20}{8+j9}-\frac{Va}{j16}-\frac{3Va}{j20} = \frac{1.2\sqrt{2}}{2}+ \frac{1.2\sqrt{2}}{2}i
 
eehelp150 said:
I ended up getting
Va = 4528.6 - 911.4i
Is that correct?
It's not what I get, if that helps :smile:
 
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gneill said:
It's not what I get, if that helps :smile:
I tried another calculator and got:
1.89293-12.2816 i
is that correct?
 
  • #11
eehelp150 said:
I tried another calculator and got:
0.848528+0.848528 i
is that correct?
Nope.

Sometimes plugging in all the complex values into a node equation and lugging them around in the reduction is more tedious and error prone than using symbols. Why not assign variables to the branch impedances and the current and solve? That way we can follow your steps.
 
  • #12
gneill said:
Nope.

Sometimes plugging in all the complex values into a node equation and lugging them around in the reduction is more tedious and error prone than using symbols. Why not assign variables to the branch impedances and the current and solve? That way we can follow your steps.
I read the output wrong, it was 1.89293-12.2816 i.
 
  • #13
eehelp150 said:
Don't know what happened to it

I plugged the equation into MyAlgebra.com and it spit out the answer. Here is the equation again:
\frac{Va-20}{8+j9}-\frac{Va}{j16}-\frac{3Va}{j20} = \frac{1.2\sqrt{2}}{2}+ \frac{1.2\sqrt{2}}{2}i

I think you may be having a problem with your complex constant j. In Mathematica there is a difference between j9 and j 9.

Without a space between the j and the 9 (in other words, like this j9), Mathematica treats that as a variable name. With a space, like j 9, that is treated like j*9, the product of j and 9. Also at the very end of your equation you have i instead of j.

What does MyAlgebra use for the complex constant, j or i? Whichever it is, put the right one in your equation and instead of j9 and j20, etc., put j*9 and j*20 (or possibly i*9 and i*20 if i is the symbol for the complex constant) and run the equation again.
 
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The Electrician said:
I think you may be having a problem with your complex constant j. In Mathematica there is a difference between j9 and j 9.

Without a space between the j and the 9 (in other words, like this j9), Mathematica treats that as a variable name. With a space, like j 9, that is treated like j*9, the product of j and 9. Also at the very end of your equation you have i instead of j.

What does MyAlgebra use for the complex constant, j or i? Whichever it is, put the right one in your equation and instead of j9 and j20, etc., put j*9 and j*20 (or possibly i*9 and i*20 if i is the symbol for the complex constant) and run the equation again.
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  • #15
eehelp150 said:
I read the output wrong, it was 1.89293-12.2816 i.
This is correct.
 
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