Solving a Physics Problem: Momentum and Energy Conservation

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The discussion revolves around solving a physics problem involving a beryllium atom splitting into two helium atoms, utilizing conservation of energy and momentum. The user struggles with setting up the equations correctly, particularly with the conservation of momentum (CoM) aspect, leading to a complex quadratic equation. A suggestion is made to translate the problem into the frame of reference of the original beryllium nucleus, which simplifies the calculations. Key equations are provided to relate the velocities and angles of the resulting particles, emphasizing the need to solve the quadratic for the final velocities and angles. The conversation highlights the importance of correctly applying conservation principles in particle physics problems.
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I'm going on 10 years since I got my (physics) degree, but I haven't done much work besides conceptual stuff in that time and it shows. :mad: Anyway, I decided to crack open my Modern Physics book from school and start working my way through it. The first few problems were OK, but I just can't quite seem to get a handle on how to work through this one.

Here it is:

A beryillium atom (m\approx8.00u) is moving in the positive x direction with a kinetic energy of 60.0 keV. It splits into 2 Helium atoms (m\approx4.00u) with the release of 92.0 keV of Energy. Particle 1 is found to move at 30.0o to the x-axis (\theta_{1}). Using Conservation of Energy and Momentum (i.e., no coordinate transformations), find v1, v2, and \theta_{2}.

Conversion factor: 1u = 9.3150 x 10^5 \frac{keV}{c^2}

I think I've got the COE part set up correctly. Given that m_{1}=m_{2}\equiv m

60.0 keV + 92.0 keV = \frac{1}{2}m(v^2_{1} + v^2_{2})

By substituting known values, I get v^2_{1}+v^2_{2}=8.16x10^{-5} c^2

The COM portion seems to be throwing me for a loop somehow. No matter how I set them up, when I substitute back into the COE equation, I end up with a really nasty looking quadratic equation. I know that the angle given \theta_{1} and the relationship it implies for v1 to v1x and v1y must be the key, but I just can't seem to make it fit.

Thanks for any help you can offer,

Grogs
 
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For CoM :

(2m)v = mv_1 cos30 + mv_2 cos \theta _2

and

mv_1 sin30 = mv_2 sin \theta _2

In both equations, you can cancel off m.

Hope that helps. But I still suspect you'll wind up with a quadratic that you must solve.
 
Grogs said:
A beryillium atom (m\approx8.00u) is moving in the positive x direction with a kinetic energy of 60.0 keV. It splits into 2 Helium atoms (m\approx4.00u) with the release of 92.0 keV of Energy. Particle 1 is found to move at 30.0o to the x-axis (\theta_{1}). Using Conservation of Energy and Momentum (i.e., no coordinate transformations), find v1, v2, and \theta_{2}.
Translate into the frame of reference of the original beryillium nucleus. The quadratic equation will be easier. The velocities of the two He nuclei have to be equal and opposite in that frame. So you have:

\frac{1}{2}m(v'^2 + v'^2) = mv'^2 = E = 92Kev
(1)v' = \sqrt{E/m}

Also:
(2)v'sin\theta' = v_1sin30 = v_1/2
(3)v'^2 = (v_1cos30 - v_0)^2 + (v_1sin30)^2
(4)sin\theta_2 = v_1sin30/v_2 =v_1/2v_2
(5)v_2^2+v_1^2 = 2(E + E_0)/m

From (3):
v'^2 = (v_1cos30 - v_0)^2 + (v_1sin30)^2

v'^2 = v_1^2cos^230 + v_0^2 - 2v_1cos30v_0 + v_1^2sin^230

v'^2 - v_0^2 = v_1^2(cos^230 + sin^230) - 2v_1cos30v_0

This is a quadratic equation of form
v_1^2 + av_1 + b = 0 where a = -2cos30v_0 \text{ and } b = - (v'^2 - v_0^2)


Solve for v_1. \theta' follows from (2). Getting v_2 and its direction follows using (5) and (4),

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