Solving Air Drag Equation for Beginners

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The discussion revolves around solving the air drag equation, particularly in the context of solid fuel rockets. Participants explore the mathematical formulation of the drag force and its implications for calculating drag over time, with a focus on the nature of the equation as potentially being a differential equation.

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Main Points Raised

  • Maik presents an equation for drag force, expressing uncertainty about solving it due to a lack of familiarity with differential equations.
  • Some participants suggest that if certain parameters are constants, the equation could be treated as a quadratic equation, which can be solved using standard methods.
  • Maik challenges the characterization of the equation as quadratic, arguing that it involves the function Fd(t) in a recursive manner, complicating the solution process.
  • There is a suggestion to expand the square and treat all other variables as constants to solve for Fd, but Maik insists that this does not apply due to the functional nature of Fd(t).
  • Maik elaborates on the recursive nature of the equation, indicating that substituting Fd(t) back into the equation leads to an infinite loop, reinforcing the idea that it is a differential equation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on whether the equation can be classified as a quadratic equation or a differential equation. There is no consensus on the correct approach to solving the equation, and the discussion remains unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the equation due to its recursive nature, which may not align with standard methods for solving quadratic equations. The discussion reflects varying levels of familiarity with mathematical concepts relevant to the problem.

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Hey,

I'm having some problems trying to solve the equation for air drag. I'm currently doing a project about solidfuel rockets and air drag is a big deal =)

I used this equation for dragforce (Fd)

Fd(t)= -0,5 * p * A * Cd (((Fm - Fg - Fd) / m ) *t)^2

which is just a lot of parameters so simplified this is:

Fd(t)= a * ((b-Fd)/c * t)^2

I'm not familiar with differential equations at all but my math teacher told me this is one. To bad he couldn't solve it though.

Does anybody know how to solve this so it can be used to calculate dragforce Fd at time t?

Thanks ahead!
Regards from the Netherlands,
Maik
 
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If a, b, c, are just constants, what you wrote is a quadratic equation for Fd, and this is solved with the usual formula.
 
Hello smallphi,

could you explain that showing the math? Because I can't come up with anything to solve an equation involving it's own answer:

Fd(t)= a * (( b-Fd(t) )/c * t)^2

Regards,
Maik
 
You never solved a quadratic equation in your life? I find that hard to believe if you are doing project about solidfuel rockets.

You have to expand the square, treat everything except Fd as constants, treat even t as constant, treat Fd as the unknown variable x, and use the formulas for the roots here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadratic_equation

The article has examples, those will be most helpful to you if you haven't solved a quadratic equation before.
 
I'm sorry we must have misunderstood. If the link you posted is what you mean by quadratic equation then the formula above is no quadratic equation =)

Please note that Fd(t) is to be filled into the function, not Fd as constant or t as constant.

Fd(t)= a * (( b-Fd(t) )/c * t)^2

Fd(t) means Drag at a given time

So within the function Fd(t) is another function. In this case also Fd(t).

This is shurely no quadratic equation to be solved like as in your link.

For example, if you were to write out the Fd(t) within the function above, you'd get:

Fd(t)= a * (( b-(a * (( b-Fd(t) )/c * t)^2 ))/c * t)^2

which obviously also has the funtion of Fd(t) in it. So we could write that out as:

Fd(t)= a * (( b-(a * (( b-(a * (( b-Fd(t) )/c * t)^2) )/c * t)^2 ))/c * t)^2

its a never ending loop.

I hope this explains better as to why this is a differential equation rather than just a quadratic equation.

Kind regards,
Maik
 

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