Solving Circular Motion Qs: Flea on a Record & Pilot in a Loop

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The discussion revolves around problems related to circular motion, specifically involving a flea on a rotating record and a pilot flying in a vertical circular loop. The original poster presents two questions: one concerning the centripetal force acting on the flea and the frictional force required to keep it in place, and the other regarding the radius of the loop and the speed needed for the pilot to feel weightless at the top of the loop.

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  • Participants discuss the calculations for centripetal force and friction for the flea, noting potential issues with rounding and unit conversions. There are also considerations about the forces acting on the pilot at different points in the loop, particularly at the bottom where both gravity and centripetal force are relevant.

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Some participants have raised concerns about the accuracy of the original poster's calculations, suggesting that more precision in intermediate values may be necessary. There is an ongoing exploration of the forces acting on the pilot, with some participants questioning the assumptions made regarding weightlessness and the net forces involved.

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Participants are discussing the implications of significant figures and unit conversions in the context of the homework problem. There is also a focus on the dynamics of forces acting on the pilot during the circular motion, particularly the distinction between the top and bottom of the loop.

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URGENT: circular motion qs

Homework Statement



1. A 0.20g flea sits at a distance of 5.0cm from the centre of a rotating record.
a) If the record rotates at 77rpm, what is the centripetal force.
b) For the flea to remain at this spot, what must be its frictional force?

2. A pilot of mass 60.0kg is flying her plane in a vertically oriented circular loop. Just at the bottom of the loop, the plane's speed is 1.8*10^2km/h and the pilot feels exactly four times as heavy as she normally does.
a) What is the radius of the loop.
b)At what speed must she be flying at the top of the loop in order to feel weightless?

Homework Equations



Fnet = 4pi^2mrf^2
Fnet = mv^2/r

The Attempt at a Solution


a)
77rpm * (1/60s)
=1.3s^-1

Fnet=4pi^2(.0002kg)(.005m)(1.3s^-1)^3
=6.7*10^-5N

Therefore, the centripetal force is 6.7*10^-5N

b)
For the flea to stay in the same spot the firction must be 6.7*10^-5N also.

2.
a)
4mg = mv^2/r
r = v^2/4mg
=64m

Therefore, the radius is 64m.

b)
mg=mv^2/r
[(60.0kg)(9.8m/s^2)(64m)]/60.0kg =v^2
25m/s=v

Therefore, she must be flying at a speed of 25m/s.
 
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There's no question; Can't be all that urgent!
 


gneill said:
There's no question; Can't be all that urgent!

It's urgent because i think i did it all wrong...
 


In the first question I think one problem stems from rounding intermediate results. Leave some more digits on the frequency that you calculated (it's an intermediate value -- part of the process, not the end result) round results to the required significant figures. You've also got a problem with your conversion of cm to m for the radius -- check the order of magnitude.

For the second question you need to pay attention to what forces are acting when. In particular, at the bottom of the loop the centripetal force due to the plane's motion is acting as well as the force due to gravity.
 


gneill said:
In the first question I think one problem stems from rounding intermediate results. Leave some more digits on the frequency that you calculated (it's an intermediate value -- part of the process, not the end result) round results to the required significant figures. You've also got a problem with your conversion of cm to m for the radius -- check the order of magnitude.

For the second question you need to pay attention to what forces are acting when. In particular, at the bottom of the loop the centripetal force due to the plane's motion is acting as well as the force due to gravity.

for part b of qs 2, isn't the pilot experiencing weightlessness so the Fn would be 0 and the only other force is Fgrav?
 


If the net force is zero, then the sum of all forces is zero.
 


gneill said:
If the net force is zero, then the sum of all forces is zero.

this is really confusing, is it possible you write write out a step-by-step solution only to 2. b)? if not it's ok, thanks for the help
 


gneill said:
If the net force is zero, then the sum of all forces is zero.

i meant Fnormal is 0, so the only force acting on the pilot when she is at the bottom is gravity
 


If the plane is flying in a circular loop, then centripetal force will always be acting. Gravity, too, is always acting. The only difference between the top and bottom of the the loop is the relative directions of these forces, and, of course, the magnitude of the centripetal force if the velocity changes.

Draw free body diagrams for the forces in each case. Then do the sums.
 

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