Solving for degenerate oscillatory modes for three connected particles

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The discussion focuses on deriving the equations of motion for a system of three connected particles using Lagrangian mechanics. The Lagrangian is established, leading to equations that describe the oscillatory behavior of the particles. A specific mode where all angles are equal corresponds to constant total angular momentum, while assuming zero total angular momentum reveals two degenerate oscillatory modes with a frequency determined by the eigenvalues of the system's matrix. The conversation also addresses typographical errors in the equations and clarifies the conditions for the oscillatory modes. The overall analysis provides insights into the dynamics of the coupled particle system.
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Homework Statement



a) Write down the Lagrangian and show that the equations of motion are:

m\ddot{θ_1}+k[2θ_1-θ_2-θ_3] = 0

m\ddot{θ_2}+k[2θ_2-θ_1-θ_3] = 0

m\ddot{θ_3}+k[2θ_3-θ_1-θ_2] = 0

b) Show that the mode in which θ_1 = θ_2 = θ_3 corresponds to constant total angular momentum \vec{L}.

c) Assume that the total angular momentum is zero and that θ_1 = θ_2 = θ_3 = 0. Find two degenerate oscillatory modes and their frequency. Hint: you might want to express the three coupled equations as a single equation for the vector \vec{θ}, then assume that the eigenvectors of the tensor appearing in this equation have a time dependence e^{iωt} and find the values of ω for each eigenvector.

Homework Equations



eq(1)\frac{∂L}{∂q_j}-\frac{d}{dt}\frac{∂L}{∂\dot{q_j}}=0

The Attempt at a Solution



Part A

Step 1) The Lagrangian:

T = \frac{mR^2}{2}[\dot{θ_1}^2+\dot{θ_2}^2+\dot{θ_3}^2]

U = \frac{kR^2}{2}[θ_1^2+θ_2^2+θ_3^2-θ_1θ_2-θ_1θ_3-θ_2θ_3]

L = T-U = \frac{mR^2}{2}[\dot{θ_1}^2+\dot{θ_2}^2+\dot{θ_3}^2] - \frac{kR^2}{2}[θ_1^2+θ_2^2+θ_3^2-θ_1θ_2-θ_1θ_3-θ_2θ_3]

\frac{∂L}{∂θ_1} = -kR^2[2θ_1-θ_2-θ_3]

\frac{d}{dt}\frac{∂L}{∂\dot{θ_1}} = \frac{d}{dt}[mR^2\dot{θ_1}] = mR^2\ddot{θ_1}

-kR^2[2θ_1-θ_2-θ_3]-mR^2\ddot{θ_1}=0

eq(2) m\ddot{θ_1}+k[2θ_1-θ_2-θ_3]

Similarly for θ_2 and θ_3

eq(3) m\ddot{θ_2}+k[2θ_2-θ_1-θ_3]

eq(4) m\ddot{θ_3}+k[2θ_3-θ_1-θ_2]

Part B

Combining eqs(2,3,and 4) into a vector equation:

\ddot{\vec{θ}}+ω_0^2\begin{pmatrix} 2&-1&-1\\-1&2&-1\\-1&-1&2\end{pmatrix}\vec{θ}=\vec{0}

Let the above matrix be called \mathbf A

Now when θ_1= θ_2= θ_3 the matrix vector product \mathbf A\vec{θ}=\vec{0}

This in turn yields \ddot{\vec{θ}} = \vec{0} →\dot{\vec{θ}}=\vec{C} where \vec{C} is a constant vector.

Part C

First I'll need the eigenvalues and the resulting eigenvectors of \mathbf A which without too much trouble are:

λ_1=0 and a degenerate eigenvalue λ_2 = λ_3 = 3

Which corresponds to the eigenvectors which have the time dependence e^{iωt}:

\vec{e_1} = (1,1,1)e^{iωt}, \vec{e_2} = (-1,0,1)e^{iωt}, and \vec{e_3} = (-1,1,0)e^{iωt}

When \mathbf A acts on \vec{θ} it produces two equations:

eq(5) \ddot{\vec{θ}}+(0)ω_0^2\vec{θ}=0

eq(6) \ddot{\vec{θ}}+(3)ω_0^2\vec{θ}=0

When I plug in eigenvectors 2 and 3 into eq(6) I get that ω^2 = 3ω_0^2.

Physically, I think this scenario would correspond to one particle being held still while the other two oscillate back and forth with the same angular speed but in the opposite angular direction. Its been forever since I have dealt with systems of DE's and I seem to remember needing to construct another vector when a matrix had a repeated eigenvalue (like this one does) in order to form a complete solution space for the system. Also the scenario I give satifies that total angular momentum is zero, but it doesn't satisfy the second condition that θ_1=θ_2=θ_3=0 which is what really kind of has me worried. Thank you for any help in advance!(:
 
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There are some typographical errors in some of your subscripts in your first three equations of Part A of your solution. Also, I think the factor in front of the brackets for ##\small U## is off by a factor of 1/2.

But, overall, your work looks good to me.

I think the problem statement probably meant to say ##\theta_1+\theta_2+\theta_3 = 0## in part (c) of the question.
 
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TSny said:
There are some typographical errors in some of your subscripts in your first three equations of Part A of your solution. Also, I think the factor in front of the brackets for ##\small U## is off by a factor of 1/2.

But, overall, your work looks good to me.

I think the problem statement probably meant to say ##\theta_1+\theta_2+\theta_3 = 0## in part (c) of the question.

My expression for U is off by \frac{1}{2}? Could you go into a little more detail on that part please?

I was thinking that's what it meant on part c) as well but I wasn't sure. Thank you for clearing that part up for me(:

Could you please also point out exactly where the errors are? Because I can't see them. Thank you again for your help (:
 
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Wavefunction said:
My expression for U is off by \frac{1}{2}? Could you go into a little more detail on that part please?

I was thinking that's what it meant on part c) as well but I wasn't sure. Thank you for clearing that part up for me(:

Could you please also point out exactly where the errors are? Because I can't see them. Thank you again for your help (:

Nevermind I found the typographical error! Thank you again for pointing that out(:
 

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